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TOPIC: Transport

shane Transport 7 years 5 months ago #1

shane
www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2016-10-18/p...ions-to-benefit-fans

Bit of a video thing on getting the to new stadium but I think it's worth taking a moment to congratulate the WA Government on greatest line ever written by a government spin doctor. Delivered beautifully as well.

For those who prefer to drive, head to parking in the CBD; then take the shuttle bus to the pedestrian bridge.
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Davo Transport 7 years 5 months ago #2

Davo
Agree, elderly and disabled people need exercise like the rest of us.
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pollyanna Transport 7 years 5 months ago #3

pollyanna
Gina Rinehart is the only person in WA that can cover a 3 hour parking fee in Perth's cbd.
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prefect Transport 7 years 5 months ago #4

prefect
Will I have to walk in slow motion as well?
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Drubbing Transport 7 years 5 months ago #5

Drubbing
The first draft was:

Head to the CBD. Drive around for an hour to find a parking spot. End up in West Perth and find one at $5/hour. Get the Cat to East Perth, slowly savouring the sights Perth has to offer on the way, as the cranes and cones hint at the future amenity enhancements.

A short half kilometre stroll along the bridge allows you to take in the city views over the heads of the throngs funnelling in the same direction. Plan your journey. Leaving around breakfast time should have you seated by the second quarter for most 2.40 games
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Jooter Transport 7 years 5 months ago #6

Jooter
I wonder if it's written into the Transperth policy that no bus or train will think about moving from any stadium until punters are packed in like sardines.
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freoboy49 Transport 7 years 5 months ago #7

freoboy49
There's so much to say about this promo, but part of me is speechless.
The opening line gives it away: "We've thought it through." Perhaps. But I think not.
In addition to comments already noted, here are a few more.
Of 60 000 at an event, and a capacity of the station to take 28 000 in the first hour afterwards, what if 35 000 want to use the train home?
I've grizzled before about the absence of escalators in the new station. Towards the end of the video, you'll see just how steep the staircases are, and the one lift per platform won't be doing much for the elderly, infirm or disabled. Arthritic over-75s might as well not bother going to the footy. The steps inside the stadium entrance don't look too shallow either.
There are dedicated after-event trains to Joondalup and Fremantle lines — wow, that sounds to me like the existing Midland/Armadale services. Going on the Mandurah line? Be prepared to have a gentle unrushed leisurely 300 m walk to Perth Underground from Perth Central.
They talk about cycling through the lush parklands, but don't tell us how many cycle parking options there are.
Do we really think 14 000 folk will use the pedestrian bridge AND park in the CBD or catch a shuttle bus from Perth Busport or the new Wellington St Bus Station?
They say to plan ahead for your journey. I think its code for 'allow much more time to travel to and from the footy which is in a relatively isolated location outside the CBD' Almost like the old Waverley Park really - it was killed by poor transport options.
What they didn't mention was that the Crown complex has now got plenty of parking and it will only cost you an arm and a leg to go there. Instalment 1 for the parking and instalment 2 for the gambling and refreshment before or after the game.
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pollyanna Transport 7 years 5 months ago #8

pollyanna
Imagine what the bus routes will be like with the Swannie in the way.
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jimb2 Transport 7 years 5 months ago #9

jimb2
It will be even slower with the drugs those people seem to be on. They'll need someone to shoo them off the train.
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moptop Transport 7 years 5 months ago #10

moptop
I refuse to drive on anything other than a pedestrian bridge. Getting the Rolls onto the shuttle bus is going to be the tricky bit.
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Swoop1 Transport 7 years 5 months ago #11

Swoop1
In other words the Cayman Island deal done with Packer requires a minimum of 10,000 people to attend Crown after every game
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prefect Transport 7 years 5 months ago #12

prefect
What of those of us who wish to travel by water taxi?
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Jooter Transport 7 years 5 months ago #13

Jooter
I tried to keep this brief, but it ended up long. Sorry. I once had a chance to speak to a transport planner. He said that for large stadiums overseas, they had three main principles to move large numbers of people efficiently (and to compare it with the inefficient way we currently do it at Subi oval).
First, you have your stadium that will disgorge a large number of people a reasonable distance from the train line, say, at least a 500-600 metre walk. This way, because not everyone walks at the same pace, people will get to the train platform at different times. Those who are infirm or need help walking can ride golf-cart type transport that will shuttle from the stadium to the train station.
Second, you don’t think of your train line as a train, but as an ‘escalator-walkway’. The train will leave frequently - emphasise frequently. Even if the train is not 100%-capacity-full, packed-like-sardines-full, the train will leave, followed immediately by another train. That one will fill up for a few minutes, and then leave immediately, and so on.
Finally, you remove all bottlenecks and allow people to walk straight on to the train platform and onto the train. I remember leaving a European soccer stadium with 60000 people thinking that it would take forever to get back to the city from the stadium, but it was actually very quick and efficient and followed the principles I outlined above. I walked straight out of the stadium, down a boulevard along with thousands of others walking at a leisurely pace, straight onto a train platform (no stairs or elevators, you could walk straight from the road to the train platform) walked onto the train, and the train left; it wasn’t even 3/4 full, the train just left. Super efficient.

Subi Oval violates all the above principles. First, there’s that stupid bottleneck (the underpass) to get to the train, then there’s only a short distance to walk from the oval to the train platform which slows people down, and it seems to me that the train won’t leave unless you are packed like sardines; then when it does leave eventually, you need to wait 15 minutes before the next one comes and gets packed full.

From the video about the Perth Stadium, the line that gets me is “it’s all about choice” which to me means that there’s no one efficient way to get in or out of the stadium, but depending on where you are, you’ll need to figure out how to get to there. And shuttle buses from Perth station and Elizabeth Quay? Doesn’t that just mean that there isn’t a direct way of getting to the pedestrian bridge if you are on the Mandurah line? A shuttle bus service? Seriously? OMG.
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Morgan Transport 7 years 5 months ago #14

Morgan
For those not fluent in spin, it's what they don't say that you need to focus on. Unspoken lines in italics.

Video:

We’ve thought it through though kind of on the fly, because Colin Barnett decided to ignore the advice of a Government taskforce on where to put the stadium.

A smart way to move nearly 60,000 people by foot, train and bus but definitely not by car to Perth Stadium.

With more trains, special event buses and walking connections than would have been needed for a stadium in East Perth or Subi thought out for your convenience, but mostly to mop up the mess Colin made.

So leaving your car at home has never been smarter, especially because driving isn’t actually an option.

Why not let the event begin with your journey, because if it’s going to take you hours to get to and from the stadium, you might as well enjoy it, say, by listening to an entire audiobook.

Perth is changing, growing, so don’t blame us for the congestion, so we’ve designed some options for you, however you travel to Perth Stadium, so long as it’s not driving.

Perth Stadium Station, the second largest in Perth, and certainly the most empty 330 days of the year, is a huge leap forward in the way we operate train services for special events, assuming you count a few extra platforms on only one train line a huge leap forward, which of course, no one does.

East Perth Station is about a 25 minute walk over the Windan Bridge – arguable Perth’s ugliest bridge - if you want to walk for ages from somewhere completely random and where you definitely wouldn’t want to walk to or from at night.

Right at the stadium's doorstep are 25 special event bus stands, which should make alighting convenient after your 70 minute commute through the CBD.

A brand new pedestrian bridge, spanning the Swan River connects you to a giant dead zone, which in turn is adjacent to plenty of CBD and East Perth car spaces.

A CBD shuttle bus service will effortlessly move you between these parking options and the pedestrian bridge - because nothing says effortless like standing on a crowded bus.

If you require acrod facilities or choose to arrive by coach we’ll have designated areas for you, assuming you are the first 100 to arrive out of 30,000 Eagles fans who have acrod stickers on their Range Rovers.

The new 6 platform Perth Stadium Station will have plenty of train services before an event or at least the end of the first quarter and a train departing every few minutes afterwards. You should be able to get on the 17th or 18th of these trains after waiting 30 minutes at the stadium. Special event services direct to the Joondalup and Fremantle lines, will also leave from dedicated platforms.

Buses are a great option too, said no-one ever. Special event buses will travel too and from the suburbs connecting you directly to the stadium – through Perth CBD traffic.

And for those who prefer to drive, head to parking in the CBD. Then take the shuttle bus to the pedestrian bridge. Because the best journeys have 3 connections, and people who drive love paying CBD parking fees, and then still having to walk 2kms.

Perth’s newest landmark opens up our foreshore, connecting you to entertainment on both sides of the river - being Glouster Park and Crown Casino - year round.

After events, this spectacular pedestrian bridge will help 14,00 people safely cross the river, with an expected 1000 to be forced to urinate over the sides, to connect with bus services and car parks in East Perth and the CBD

[Lots of footage of obnoxious looking people who clearly don’t give a stuff about sport, but are just at the Stadium for the ‘game day experience.]

This is a turning point in the way we experience events. [Can you believe someone gets paid to write this guff?]

We’ve designed it with you in mind. Assuming you are James Packer.

It’s all about choice – Colin's choice to build the stadium in the worst of three options on a peninsular, next to nothing except Crown Casino. You're welcome.
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