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TOPIC: Interstate teams lose GFs because ...

The Prince Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 9 hours ago #1

The Prince
They do not play them at their home ground. Home ground advantage matters because the microclimate/winds are different, the grass and bounce is different, the view of the goals is different, the shape of the ground is different, the 'atmosphere' is different. Its the same reason cricket teams do it tougher when overseas.

The requirement for travel is also signfiicant. I travel to Melbourne almost weekly, and I never don't notice the effects.

Ok, the Eagles beat Geelong twice but the MCG is not Geelong's home ground. Geelong's ground is an hour and a half and a world away. Plus, the Eagles of the early 90s were a significantly stronger team than all others because of draft concessions.

Brisbane did it for the same reason - big draft concessions. Ditto Sydney. Plus, they are both in the same time zone.

Adelaide did it, but they are a relative anomaly and alot closer to Melbourne than Perth teams.

Regardless, it is surprising this handicap has not been discussed in the light of the 12 goal turn-around in 3 weeks.
You can put Hawthorn's change in fortune down to a "bad day" in Perth, but surely the greater contributor is that teams generally underperform significantly when playing interstate.

So, how to redress this? It won't be redressed till the extra $10 million bucks hosting the match at the 'G is no longer signfiicant to the AFL. Perhaps the match can be auctioned off the the highest bidder, then W.A would be a chance to host a GF, particularly if Packer chips in (no pun intended) as well as some of those filthy richc Eagles supporters.

I guess it will make the Docker's eventual premiership all the more sweeter. Presuming of course we win one. My family planted a time capsule in 1999 and my submission was a single sentence: "I wonder if the Dockers will have won a premiership by the time you dig this up."
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rogerrocks, Duges66 said You Beaut

expat Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 8 hours ago #2

expat
Bollocks
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Montrachet, Burton said You Beaut

Drubbing Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 5 hours ago #3

Drubbing
Yeah, nah.

Kick straight in '13 and we'd have one already. Draw Roos instead of Hawks in the prelim, and we might have got close to 2.

If you think the VFL is going to let another state bugger around with their GF cash cow, you're in for a long wait.
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shane Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #4

shane
Interstate teams lose GFs because Hawthorn keep winning them.
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The Prince Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #5

The Prince
Shane's humorous teleological explanation aside, if you disagree with my pov I ask you to ask yourself, would Hawthorn have demolished the Eagles like that if the game was played in Perth?
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Sharksman Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #6

Sharksman
Make the oval at the Burswood Coliseum the same dimensions as the MCG. No point making the GF if you can't handle to Gee.
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shane Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #7

shane
Hawthorn smashed us in Perth. So, yes.
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Drubbing Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #8

Drubbing
Yes, Hawthorn would have flogged the weags at Subi as well. There's no 8 goal breeze at the G.

You're not going to get a GF in Perth just because you think things should be fair. If this game was about being fair, all the Vic clubs would also travel across the country every fortnight.

Who'll they play when they get here, I've no idea. There's only 2 teams here, and one ground to play at.
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The Prince Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #9

The Prince
Hmmm
1. Hawthorn did not smash us in Perth
2. If you disagree, please explain to me how come every team's win-loss ratio is much poorer away than at home. For example, Hawthorns is 43% away and 54% at home. The Eagles is 44% away and 69% at home. And so on.
3. We have far far more punters per head of population coming to the football in the H&A rounds in Perth than they do in Melbourne. This is despite capacity constraints in Perth and effectively none in Melbourne. So, we should have at least half the number of teams they do in Melbourne. The blind acceptance that Melbourne is the home of football support is just that.
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The Prince Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 4 hours ago #10

The Prince
Drubbing, I never suggested fairness. Money talks.

So, how do we stump up the $10 million shortfall in Perth. Well, we go to who would benefit the most from having a GF here. And the direct and indirect benefits would be large.

Off the top of my head, I would look for an investment of
3 million from the people of W.A
1 million from Packer
1 million from the W.A teams
1 million from the major sponsors of the teams
1 million from the minor sponsors of the teams
3 million from junior footy raffle tickets (ok, I was kidding with that one)

you see what I'm getting at? How the hell do you think Hawaii got to host a superbowl??? Open your minds dockerlanders...
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shane Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 3 hours ago #11

shane
Or, and I apologise if this sounds crazy, Fremantle could put together a team good enough to win a flag.
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Mushroom, Raglan Matt, Burton said You Beaut

The Prince Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 3 hours ago #12

The Prince
That's not crazy Shane, just unlikely in the era of the draft and salary cap and GFs locked in for the MCG. Significantly less likely than the teams that call the MCG "home". I share the nihilism of most other Dockerlanders, I just don't think Hawthorn should gloat at their downhill skiing flags.
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Drubbing Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 3 hours ago #13

Drubbing
Money does talk.

Do you think the GF is about punters like you and me? Look at how many tickets there are for the everyday punter. The GF is a corporate pig trough for the AFL. I know how much a small suite at Subi is for a Prelim. I can only imagine what they're charging at the G, and they've got a lot more of them, and bigger too. And that's where all the corporate big spenders are.

TV rights aside, that's where the money is, plus the influx of visitors into Vic at massively overpriced accommodation. And they intend to make sure that's where it stays.
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Jooter Interstate teams lose GFs because ... 7 years 3 hours ago #14

Jooter
Sorry, Prince. Hawaii has never hosted a Super Bowl. It hosts the Pro Bowl; the end of year exhibition game. Imagine if two All Australian teams were selected and got to play off against each other at the end of the season. They kinda play a 'bruise-free' game, if you can imagine that in the Pro Bowl. Come to think of it, the same reasons why Hawaii won't get to host a Super Bowl holds for why Perth (or Adelaide, etc.) won't host a GF anytime soon: the stadium doesn't hold enough people. Having said all that, you can imagine if money was the only factor, and they held the GF in, say, Perth, the price of the ticket would be $1000 which is the price of a Super Bowel ticket.
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