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TOPIC: Time and Space

shane Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #1

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shane Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #2

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Coventry’s book is also a valuable reminder of how brutally rough the game once was and how for all its inevitable collisions, scrapes and MRP-induced controversies, it’s now as safe and well officiated as it’s ever been. What sort of national scandal would it be if Aaron Sandilands and not 1910s South Australian ruck legend Tom Leahy had been hacked into retirement while playing for his state against Victoria, a clump of flesh gouged from his bloodied knee by opponents in clear sight of spectators?


I like to think Sandilands would grab the knee flesh, take a bite out of it, then rip the limbs of anyone who witnessed the attack and didn't intervene.
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hypen Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #3

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look for the sequel featuring Damian Drum on coaches 30 years behind their time.
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rogerrocks Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #4

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The review got one thing right: many of us don't understand the modern game, and coaches don't help by not explaining it. It is hard to enjoy a contest when you can't tell why your team is struggling.
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Grub Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #5

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I was listening to that media whore David King on SEN yesterday and he was banging on about stoppages which appears to be his topic for the week.
He basically gave up and said its not for the media or the public to come up with solutions to improve the game and it's up to the coaches. Hasn't stopped him from offering his opinion almost daily mind you.
Did say that the coaches are light years ahead of most pundits in relation to tactics and strategy.
You would hope so and I'd hardly be expecting them to share that publically any time soon - that's their competitive advantage.
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bpurple Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #6

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What if a team, lets call them Fremantle, devised a revolutionary tactic where by upon gathering the ball they kicked it to predetermined positions on the field. These positions would be manned down the spine of the field by large mobile chaps able to take grabs and supported out wide at ground level by smaller quick chaps, in case the ball spilled to ground. These chaps would all focus on accurate kicking for goal in order to win the game. Long kicks to these tall skilled fellows would negate the effectiveness of the huge throng of players currently milling about the ball at stoppages. It would make players accountable for their opposite number and would be a damn fine spectacle. Thus instead of having all of your players squashed into an area 10m x10m, space and therefore time would already exist because of field positioning.
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zorro Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #7

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Taking your post as a question rather than a statement, the answer to "What if?" is "they'd get smashed".
There's an idea abroad that coaches are clogging up the game because of some aesthetic predilection. Of course that's bunkum; they do it in response to their universal two-word KPI: Win Games.
Do this: get two monitors, play two games at the same time, one from this year and one from any time in the past you choose, and imagine one of the teams in one game playing one of the teams in the other. Carnage.
That's why the arguments about reducing interchange, or abolishing it completely and going back to the old reserves, are rubbish. Coaches know that winning happens because you get bodies around the ball and bodies where the ball is most likely to go. They'll just recruit and train endurance runners so they can continue that strategy. Our game is fundamentally different now because coaches and players have the skills and training to implement strategies that increase the chance of winning - whether we like how it's done or not.

(Oh, and while you're watching the modern game and the old one, you'll quickly see that all the bleating about how poorly players kick these days and how marvellous they once were is backwards-looking-through-rose-coloured-glasses hogwash.)
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Docker by the Sea Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #8

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Want to ease congestion then i say, have 4 on the bench, if a player comes off during a qtr they stay off until next break. Allows 4 chances per qtr for possible injury concerns avoiding manipulation by coaches as if they were used for tactical purposes before end of qtr team would be one short. At the end of each playing period each team can make 4 changes. Max number of player changes 28.
I reckon returns footy to more structured game with ruckman and onbalers resting forward and players not able to get to every contest, best players once again playing close to 100% game time. Maybe we even get back to power forwards playing on gun back men. I personally get tired of watching contest after contest until one team can get designated players out on fast break for a score. Today's players skills and fitness better than ever would love to see them displayed.
Stolen from Kevin Bartlett I think.
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shane Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #9

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If you want to stop coaches from putting numbers at the contest then you have to target your changes at reducing the advantage of having those numbers at the contest.

Making it harder for a team to get numbers into the contest will increase the advantage of having numbers in the contest and coaches will work harder at getting their players to the ball.
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Docker by the Sea Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #10

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Felt we had more numbers at the contest against Hawks they got outside and smashed us
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shane Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #11

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Then why are you proposing rule changes?
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Corporal Agarn Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #12

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Pardon my ignorance but could someone explain why the slime don't seem to have the congestion concerns that we and other teams do.
Yes I realise they haven't played the top teams, but no matter who they play they beat easily and thus have a huge percentage. We've played weaker teams and still stubbled.
I can't stand watching them win, so only watch small amounts, but when I do they seem to constantly have an open forward line and quick ball movement.
Over to the "experts."
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hypen Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #13

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How do you make it harder to get numbers into the contest Shane?

Corporal, to answer your question their ruckman don't tap the ball at their feet - big taps to advantage out into space. So numbers at the fall of the ball are pointless. Fremantles clearance work is as unproductive as it is ugly, the real shame is we have the talent not to play like this.

I guarantee you Ross Lyon will never win a flag going about things the way he does. Neesham would have taken those St Kilda teams to more than one flag.
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Docker by the Sea Time and Space 8 years 11 months ago #14

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Read my first post me personally would prefer not to watch the congestion and would enjoy watching best players on field more and larger variety of body types and players. Would challenge any coach to have all 18 players fit enough to run at the intensity they do now for the duration of a qtr. I do not believe yesterday's football was of a higher standard, however there are aspects that I did enjoy that I believe are harder to achieve with 30 players at the contest.
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