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Tragic Mad Monday 1 month 2 weeks ago #1

Tragic
Young men drinking alcohol and acting inappropriately.
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Didn't happen in my day.*




*no CCTV in my day.
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rogerrocks Mad Monday 1 month 2 weeks ago #2

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I know that commenting on this stuff is fraught with danger, but...

Django Unchained was an anti-slavery movie - revenge porn if you like. I'd like to see the skit before I throw stones at the people in it. For a large chunk of the population, the problem would not be with the treatment of the slaves (after all, they were the lawful property of their owners), but rather that there was revenge. So does the skit upset the establishment?

But it has always been thus. When I was 16 or so (i.e. 50+ years ago), a woman from TV came to my school looking for kids to appear on her show. We were advised not to say anything controversial. It was the 70's ffs.
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purple mao Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #3

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Yes Roger, I did note Andrew Dillon “conceded (Connor) Idun's involvement in the skit depicting slavery was "very complex" given the defender is a player of colour.” Just picture the AFL spin doctor writing that rubbish - quite disturbing really.

I’d also think that performing in a skit about the September 11 terror attacks, 23 years after the event, is probably not worthy of a two-match suspension.
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Tragic Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #4

Tragic
I am intrigued that Club leaders are responsible for the actions of other players.
Why are club administrators not resposible for the poor choice of club leaders?
Why are AFL administrators not responsible for the poor choice of GWS administrators in selecting inept club leaders?
etc etc
Should the AFL go f*** * itself


* fine


All that just for a bad Dad joke
I will let myself out
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Grub Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #5

Grub
I’m hoping they all grow up to be fine citizens.
Mad Monday should be a high tea with games of Pictionary. Losers have to eat a whole pickled onion.
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Dockermus Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #6

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Here’s an idea. How about, at the end of the season, each clubs playing group agrees to meet at a pub somewhere suitable and convenient to them, to share a few beers like adults, then go off for a well-deserved break before it all starts again in preseason. No dressing up. No ‘skits’ or enforced bonhomie. Simple, really.
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jezzaargh Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #7

jezzaargh
is it really that hard to not make poor choices? why are so many of you making assumptions about skits you didn't see, that they couldn't have been "that bad"?

it may well be 23 years since the 9/11 attacks but it's 80 years since WWII and no one in their right mind would dress up as Hitler for a Mad Monday skit. It's not like this is a sophisticated set of satirists here... next thing you'll be defending Ross Lyon's banter as the Christmas drinks
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rogerrocks Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #8

rogerrocks
So Tragic, you are suggesting that accountability and punishment go higher than the players? But you can't do that because the highly talented, super hard-working, visionaries in AFL house woudn't take the job if they thought they'd be held accountable.
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Grub Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #9

Grub
Well maybe it would carry more weight if the “leadership” group were suspended and the others were fined.
Wouldn’t that be a stronger and more relevant message?
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ICONDOCKER Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #10

ICONDOCKER
They want the leadership group to play, otherwise it could damage the ratings .
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rogerrocks Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #11

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"No one in their right mind would dress up as Hitler". One of my very conservative, thoroughly professional mates dressed up in SS uniform for a party back in the 80's. Nobody batted an eyelid. I had a very fetching short skirt on. Another guy had a "Too drunk to f..." t-shirt on. Great party - certainly one that stuck in my memory.

Don't get me wrong, there are things I find offensive. Violence, sexual or otherwise, particularly when inflicted on those who can't defend themselves. Child poverty. Adult Poverty. People who advocate policies likely to leave some in poverty. People who are in a position to make the world better, even if only a little, but choose not to.

Mel Brooks dressed up as Hitler in "To Be or Not To Be". He made fun of Hitler. It was funny.

But I don't trust the AFL to apply good judgement in this situation. I don't trust them to produce a fair fixture, so I can't see any reason to give them the benefit of the doubt in this case.
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Bizkit Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #12

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To be fair, the dress up and skits being offensive was raised by someone present who witnessed them and was offended. I don't think there's too much debate to be had about whether or not it was offensive. It offended someone.

There was CCTV footage and accounts from the players who participated saying they were remorseful and confirmed it was offensive. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Whoever came up with the idea of a 'controversial couples' dress up party probably needed a ban too.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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Morgan Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #13

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AFL players make good money because fans – half of them women – come to watch them play and sponsors want to be associated with them.

Fahey who is 20 years old, and presumably a complete idiot, dressed as an alleged rapist and performed sex acts on a doll because, presumably, he thought that was funny. He rightly got a whack for it.

Greene (aged 31) and his peers didn’t feel the need to tell Fahey to pull his head in. Greene lost 0.5% of his playing salary for the year. I’m not worried for him.

Individually, I reckon the others would have skated by without more than a slap on the wrist had the cumulative effect not been that the GWS players came of as a complete bunch of knobs.

Mad Whatevers are something the players arrange outside of the club. My view is clubs probably have far too much control over players as it is. Blaming the club’s administrators would just mean they turn the screws on the players even more. I think the players should be able to make their own decisions about these things, and in this case it burnt them.
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jezzaargh Mad Monday 1 month 1 week ago #14

jezzaargh
fair crack of the whip, RR, you've missed out a key part of what I actually posted:

no one in their right mind would dress up as Hitler for a Mad Monday skit. It's not like this is a sophisticated set of satirists here...

Mel Brooks, Taika Waititi dressing up as Hitler on the big screen is one thing, what your mate did at a party in the 80s (presuming he was not a major public figure) is another, but what today's AFL players choose to do at a private event in a public space is again different.

context is important, which you have nicely demonstrated by taking my words out of their context.
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