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TOPIC: Collingwood v Melbourne

Tragic Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #57

Tragic
"Good timing of the show last night highlighting the great John Platten's predicament."

Gumnut. I though the show was appalling.
John Platten does not remember the Grand Final because he was concussed. One measure of the severity of the concussion is the length of amnesia associated with the loss of consciousness. It was obviously a severe concussion.
His lack of recollection of the Grand Final, or the event that concussed him, is not diagnostic of chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Time will tell whether John Platten does develop CTE but if he does, it is more likely due to recurrent head trauma, not just a single, albeit severe, concussion.
Shows like the one last night contribute to the misinformation that is rife in society.
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hypen Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #58

hypen
Forget what he set out to do and look at what he was doing at point of impact. Ffs sake, jump vertically to smother, not at the player kicking the ball as you are both running on a collision path to one another. It's just utterly inconceivable to me how some are ignoring what happened cause Maynard initially put his hands in the air.

When Maynard's shoulder crashed into Brayshaw's head he was airborne and the ball was 15 metres away. What are you lot on about? Fair dinkum. Stop fussing over intent and focus on whether he was careless or not. If you think he really should have shown more care then consider consequence. Brayshaw might not play again.
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blockerhall Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #59

blockerhall
I watch that vision again and again and it reinforces my perspective. We will have to agree to disagree on this and many other things hypen.
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Morgan Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #60

Morgan
I think I’ll also need to agree to disagree.

For me the angle that is most telling is the first in this video. Within 2 seconds Maynard goes from guarding his own man to landing on Brayshaw. In between Maynard had to consider all of Brayshaw’s options, including that Brayshaw could take him on and go around him, a handball to Maynard’s man (which is what most players do in this situation) or kick. As Maynard realises Brayshaw is getting into his kicking action he knows he can’t tackle and he can’t bump, so he plays the ball and then accidently lands on Brayshaw. In the split second when he sees Brayshaw is kicking he didn’t triangulate the vectors that could lead to his shoulder hitting Brayshaw’s jaw.

It shows you the power of these athletes and the speed of the game that Brayshaw can get the ball in the centre circle and get hit by a player near the end of the centre square without ever seeing him coming – and Maynard was directly in his field of view.

Simply put, duty of care means to take reasonable steps to not cause foreseeable harm to another person. We disagree how reasonable it was for Maynard to instinctively jump at the ball without knowing where he would land, and we disagree how foreseeable it was for Maynard’s jumping action to end Brayshaw’s concussion. That’s all fair enough. These aren’t easy calls.
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Mushroom Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #61

Mushroom
I'm sorry. One does not play the ball by turning the shoulder toward the oncoming player.

And how reasonable is it to attempt a "smother" by running full pelt toward a player and launching yourself 6+ feet off the ground - getting your entire body closer to their head than their feet - while they are looking down to guide the ball to foot?

This is pretty close to definitively unreasonable.
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hypen Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #62

hypen
Morgan, bloody hell. He launches himself at the ball carrier. If he gets off and i think he will. Prepare for lots of these smothering collisions in future.

Football act, no malice, unavoidable, physical game. All bulldust.

It was careless. A careless act. What is that? Well it's something that was not malicious but avoidable. And that's where some of you are getting lost I reckon. Thinking about the morality of it all.

Hypen. Datsun 180B, 105kms up Mitchell Highway. Car is shaking, warp factor 12. P plates! Blu tak, fails. Police sirens. Pull over. "Officer you can't give me a ticket for not showing my Ps, I had them up and they've just fallen". Officer, "I know kid I saw it".

I got a ticket. Mum said they'd fall down. Sloppy. Hypen.

Maynard was sloppy.
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Noddy Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #63

Noddy
If he gets off, then doing a Maynard is a legitimate approach to taking out a player kicking the ball. You go to spoil knowing that it is a ‘football act’ and also knowing you can brace yourself to send the kicker into gaga land with a good old shoulder to the head.

Did I get that right?
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blockerhall Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #64

blockerhall
Maynard was sloppy. Really. Listen up. Watch the vision from the back, Maynard jumps playing the likely line of the ball, Brayshaw then kicks, (these two actions are close in time, but that is the order), Brayshaw lands on his right foot, then actually veers into the contact, off the line of the ball.
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Bizkit Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #65

Bizkit
I reckon some of you blokes have a real weird definition of a smother. He may have left the ground with the intention to smother but very quickly curled up into a wrecking ball of destruction and whacked an unprepared player who had disposed of the ball in the head. That's gone every day of the week, you can't do that.

Intent only forms a small part of the equation and I reckon Maynard's intent changed quickly while in the air to causing as much damage as possible. The onus is on him to protect the player disposing of the ball and he is responsible for what happened next regardless of intent. That's 3/4wks on the sidelines.
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freo00 Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #66

freo00
bh. So It is Brayshaw's fault then ?
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blockerhall Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #67

blockerhall
Disagree on intent in the air as well. He brings both arms around to protect himself, and as I have just said above, Brayshaw veered into his line of inertia. And I hate sticking up for him. Have no dog in this fight. Just some sympathy for the outcome, having played the game and having boys who play the game. Well to be truthful, only one now, sadly the youngest one became a front rower.
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freo00 Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #68

freo00
We all have opinions as to what should happen to protect the head of players .

This is a hard one to work out the best result to help remove the risk of head trauma in our game .
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Raglan Matt Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #69

Raglan Matt
The question of whether Maynard would have gone elbow and shoulder first into a teammate provides the answer regarding intent. He has form. The AFL and MRP/Tribunal either protect the head or they don't. I don't play anymore so have no interest which way they go with there judgements, but don't pick and choose who you punish. If it's good enough for Serong to get time for endangering the head, it's good enough for Maynard.
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hypen Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #70

hypen
I've listened to the "No" folk and have been swayed. Just too much power and it's divisive.

And it's not netball.
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