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Raglan Matt Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #43

Raglan Matt
B1R1, he lifted his elbow to "protect" himself. He has form for similar incidental contacts. Brayshaw would not expect to cop a hit to the head in those circumstances so should not be expected to take evasive action. Other players have copped 4 to 6 weeks for such offences. Why should Maynard get special treatment?
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Quasimodo Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #44

Quasimodo
Lifted an elbow. Where?
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Quasimodo Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #45

Quasimodo
I’ve just watched it …..again.

He actually drops his arms to brace. At no time did he lift an elbow.

At best he lifted an eyebrow.

If you know what the rock is cooking.
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Morgan Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #46

Morgan
The AFL is slowly transitioning from a league where anything goes, to a league where anything goes so long as you’re genuinely trying to win the ball, to a league where it doesn’t matter what you were doing or thinking, if you hit a bloke high and he’s hurt you’re having a holiday.

To me, Maynard would have had no idea his jumping for the ball would end up in Brayshaw being knocked out. I don’t think I I’ve seen it happen before. There was probably just as much chance of Maynard being knocked out if he lands a half beat earlier and Brayshaw runs into him. This is one in a thousand stuff.

And what sort of precedent does a suspension really set? If Maynard touched the ball, would this be a report? If he jumped straight up, what then?

So to me it’s not something worth suspending, because there’s no teachable moment. We’re not going to reduce the number of concussions because this exact chain of events probably wouldn’t happen again for a couple of decades anyway. It’s what separates it from bumps, dangerous tackles, or, dare I say it, a marking contest.

I also reckon the AFL should have discretion to say ‘well, we’ve never adjudicated this before, and you probably thought you were entitled to contest the ball that was in dispute and missed your hand by an inch without weighing the one in a thousand chance you could knock someone out, but you’re not, and the next bloke who does this is getting rubbed out.’

And I know some people think Maynard had ill-intent and I’ll never persuade you otherwise, but I don’t even think Toby Greene could triangulate that situation in so little time to execute a hit like that, and he’s the best at it I’ve seen in the last 20 years.
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mackenzie Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #47

mackenzie
There’s no way a player kicking the ball into the forward line should expect front on contact like that. It was always going to be after the ball was kicked which is a free every day.

Maynard had one legitimate football act which was to tackle/ defend but he chose to jump and maybe effect a spoil, but if that didn’t work, he’d 100% clean him up, he had plenty of time to size the options up and was happy with the latter.

No freo goggles on, don’t pass go, don’t collect $200.
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Walter the baker Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #48

Walter the baker
Just a quick naive question. What’s the determining factor for when an incident is sent straight to the MR panel rather than the MR officer making a decision in the first instance? I appreciate that the former happens in serious incidents, but what defines serious? Or is it simply that the incident is unusual and the decision will set a precedent?
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blockerhall Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #49

blockerhall
I have zero love for Maynard but IMO should get off. Coming straight at the footy, jumps up to smother footy, braces for contact with momentum. Brayshaw- seemingly oblivious to the front-on contact looming, which is incredulous because its Maynard, who is going to hit you- looks solely at his delivery prior to kicking, then braces late.

If Maynard was a Freo player, I'd be spewing.

Van Rooyen, should be 4 weeks. Should be made an example of. Piss poor act.
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Walter the baker Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #50

Walter the baker
Weirdly, I’ve now changed my mind after hearing some alternative logic being applied.

Namely, no-one would argue against the 50 metre penalty that was applied because the collision occurred after Brayshaw kicked the ball. That indicates that the collision was illegal, which means that Maynard has to take full responsibility for the incident and, as a consequence, the outcome. In other words, his action to smother should have removed the possibility of front on collision after the ball was released.

I fully expect that I will regularly change my mind again before the hearing.
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Gumnut Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #51

Gumnut
I've watched it a few more times and I don't think he actually lifted the elbow Matt, but he definitely had time to turn more side on, brace and collect Brayshaw in the head with his shoulder. Anyone who can't see that is using selective blindness or on something that impairs their ability to see straight. It's the same as Patrick Cripps incident last year where he was fully aware of the possibility that he would injure Brisbane's Ah Chee. If this results in no ban I'm pretty confident that there will be more mums steering their kids away from a career in footy. Good timing of the show last night highlighting the great John Platten's predicament.
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Blue1red1 Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #52

Blue1red1
I was watching this as it allows a frame by frame view.
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Gumnut Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #53

Gumnut
Yes, he definitely turns side on to brace and gets Brayshaw flush with his shoulder. That is intent and cannot be interpreted as having no choice. Like it or not, this is the choice that players have to make, once you leave the ground in these instances you limit your choices and that is where the reckless side of the argument comes in.
Maynard did not have to leave the ground to make a smother, that was his choice and he must accept the consequences.
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Mushroom Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #54

Mushroom
The fact here, and what needs to be considered in all high contact situations, is was there anything the impacterator could have done, once the "football action" has started, to mitigate or lessen the impact to the head?

In Maynard's case, yes there was. Put your hands out, dampen the impact.

What did Maynard do? Turned his body to protect himself only - himself being the bloke not in possession of the ball - and thereby made full and forceful contact to Brayshaw's head with his shoulder. This isn't what someone making an attempt to not flatten somebody does nor what, by letting Maynard off, the afl should endorse players doing.

It has consequences. One of them that you will be suspended.
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Walter the baker Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #55

Walter the baker
That footage is damning. He has to be suspended based on his shoulder making contact with the head when an option was available to him. If he was in a similar situation but running into a teammate rather than Brayshaw he would have put his hands out to absorb contact rather than bracing with his shoulder. The NRL call this stuff shoulder charging and their suspensions are big!
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hypen Collingwood v Melbourne 10 months 2 weeks ago #56

hypen
Jeez I question your judgement on almost anything that seems to be of consequence, Blockerhall.
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