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TOPIC: Collingwood v Melbourne

themagoos Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #15

themagoos
If your arms are already out to spoil and it looks like contact is going to be made, it makes more sense to protect yourself with your arms (like you do when you fall) than completely pull your arms in and take out a guy's head with your shoulder.
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Walter the baker Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #16

Walter the baker
Based on all the views that have been expressed here and in the media, the AFL can justify whatever outcome they end up delivering. There are some facts (e.g. concussion, head high contact etc) and there’s subjective opinion (e.g. Maynard’s intent etc). We’ve all seen the footage but don’t necessarily agree on all the components that will be debated at a hearing. I’d also suggest that many of us (including me) don’t really have a great understanding of the technicalities that will be discussed. In the end, some lawyers will interpret the wording of the rules in forensic detail with the final result outraging one side of the fence, while the other side celebrates.
That said, it will be hilarious to watch Collingwood fans if he’s found guilty as he won’t be seen again this year.
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Morgan Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #17

Morgan
I don’t think anyone doubts Maynard was trying to spoil the ball. He leaves his man, and when he jumps in the air he’s still 5m away from Brayshaw. I think it’s reasonable to brace for impact.

I don’t even think you could argue it’s careless. The chances of a player being knocked out from a jumping smother are pretty slim. I can’t recall ever seeing it before, which makes it a bit different to a bump, shepherd or even a charge coming from an attempted spoil, where it’s more obvious what the consequences will be if you execute the skill badly and hit a bloke in the head.

I’d be pretty surprised if he was suspended.
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Freo66 Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #18

Freo66
He didn't jump to smother, he launched straight at him. Then turned sideways upon impact.
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DS Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #19

DS
Bloody hell Freo66. You watched a different incident to me.
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pollyanna Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #20

pollyanna
I'm actually a bit tired of the broadcaster's unmitigated joy when a reportable incident happens during the game - it's like a thrashing pack of fish finding a burley basket.
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Tragic Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #21

Tragic
"The Match Review Officer and executive general manager of football Laura Kane graded the incident as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact, drawing a minimum three-match ban and means Maynard's season could be over."

"van Rooyen is set to miss next week's do-or-die semi-final against either Carlton or Sydney after his elbow on McStay was graded by the MRO as careless conduct, medium impact and high contact."
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jas Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #22

jas
I can see both sides of the argument in this case. I do, however, find it interesting that we are prepared to accept head high contact in some instances but not others. You can fly for a speccy on someone's head, and if you knee them fair in the back of the head and concuss them on the way, not only will you not get pinged, you could end up with whatever prize mark of the year gets you. However, go to bump, which is still legal in our game, and therefore a 'football act', and make contact with in the head, you are considered liable for the choice you make. And I suspect most of us are happy with both of these interpretations. The issue here is that we've not seen a case of this specific nature before (spoil attempt turns into a head high airborne bump), so we've no idea where it will end up. I can see every scenario from here playing out as a possibility. I'm not even sure I know what I would like the outcome would be once I've accounted for my natural bias against Collingwood.
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Noddy Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #23

Noddy
He can’t get off. Otherwise a jump to spoil and then shoulder bump to the head is deemed ok, when it can’t be given the overall outcome the AFL are after, less head injuries.
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Quasimodo Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #24

Quasimodo
There was no intent. He went the smother it was an unfortunate accident to suspend someone for that is just wrong.
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jezzaargh Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #25

jezzaargh
A smother like no other, this was not the usual sideways motion across the path of the kicker.

Maynard was running at Brayshaw, chose to jump, and was reckless as to the consequences of that action. "Footy act" or not, it's not hard to see how that choice of act will end up, and he should be accepting responsibility
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Gumnut Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #26

Gumnut
Sorry Quasi, with Brayden Maynard there is always intent, intent to hurt his opponent whenever the opportunity arises. You obviously haven't watched too many Collingwood games lately. Even in the last game we played against them he laid several questionable tackles that could have resulted in serious injury to our guys. And I'm sick of commentators excusing his approach as just the way he plays. I'm fine with that but in today's game it is expected that players are held to show a duty of care when making physical contact and whether you or like it or not that includes not knocking your opposition into next week. Players are allowed to be physical but if they injure someone like Angus Brayshaw then they can expect to miss weeks and in this case potentially a premiership. Just ask Andrew Gaff. If the AFL is serious about protecting the head then they must enforce these penalties fairly whether the offender be Maynard, Cripps, Gaff or Toby Green. Even one of our guys, we can't have it both ways. Remember Ryan Nyhuis against Port Adelaide a few years back.
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freo00 Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #27

freo00
The attempt to smother the ball by charging strait at the player with the ball then jumping into the air cold could only have resulted in a collision .
This resulted in Brayshaw being koncked out .
The attempt to spoil resulted in a player with a head guard to be knocked out .
This might end his career ?
Caleb Serong was suspended because the head of the player he tackled MIGHT have hit the ground
(but did not )
I do not understand .
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Walter the baker Collingwood v Melbourne 9 months 1 week ago #28

Walter the baker
Gumnut, are you comparing Maynard’s incident to Gaff’s king hit on Brayshaw?
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