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TOPIC: AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference

Corporal Agarn AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #15

Corporal Agarn
When the AFL set up the inquiry themselves instead of an independent committee what else would you expect? Same as when the police are called upon to investigate their own.
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #16

hypen
Wonder what Worksafe think about this?
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Tricolour AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #17

Tricolour
So the AFL acknowledge that the Hawthorn players and families suffered "hurt, pain and anguish" but are committed to doing bugger all to bring the people who caused it to account?
You don't acknowledge "hurt, pain and anguish" if you don't believe the allegations hold some truth.
And that makes the fact that Clarkson & Co won't ever face any consequences particularly distasteful.
I do understand that it was next to impossible for the AFL investigation to achieve anything when you have both the complainants and the accused refusing to cooperate, and hasn't that worked out perfectly for them! They get to walk away from the issue, claiming everyone is happy with the outcome.
Well, I imagine the complainants just want to move on at this point, and Clarkson & Co will be busy spinning it so they'll come out looking like innocent men cleared of dastardly false allegations.
But as a fan, I'm not happy. The game is a lot grubbier to me now. The AFL talks the talk with indigenous rounds and talk of unity and making a stand against racism in the stadiums... but when called upon to do something difficult and brave that will hurt the game in the short term but make it stronger in the long term, they wilted. They dodged.
There's no way multiple players and their families all get together to make up stories that they then sit on, waiting for the unlikely event that their club will come asking questions one day, and then hope it gets leaked to the press... that's not how conspiracies work. Everything about how they shared stories suggests truth behind it. The AFL knows it – "hurt, pain and anguish" doesn't come out of nothing.
But the men who are responsible for it all won't face the music.
To me this is more disappointing than the AFL's cover-ups of the West Coast drug culture (and given my feelings about WC, that's saying something).
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Morgan AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #18

Morgan
It’s a lousy outcome, but the AFL set up an independent, qualified and diverse panel - including two First Nations persons - and no-one would cooperate with them.

It’s not obvious to me what else the AFL should or could have done.
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Raglan Matt AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #19

Raglan Matt
The AFL could have handed the investigation over too a body qualified to investigate the allegations at the start. That would have been more transparent and given all parties more confidence in the outcome.
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fradonjan AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #20

fradonjan
This is far from over.
The AWFL can say what they like ,if no one cooperated with them then how can they decide to exonerate them.
What a farce they are .
The fan is still waiting .
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #21

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Exactly Fradonjan, how does an investigation panel that didn't speak to anyone conclude there is no adverse findings? It's the word findings that is not appropriate. They didn't look, they didn't get that chance to look.

So just say, "investigation closed nothing was able to substantiated. There is no case against the defendants."

There's this subtle implication that they did something and found nothing.
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #22

jezzaargh
it's weasel words, but it is true: there were no adverse findings.
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shane AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #23

shane
The report had nothing positive to say about Alistair Clarkson's behaviour.
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #24

jezzaargh
indeed Shane.

As they say, "silence speaks volumes"
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itscraptacular AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #25

itscraptacular
Is it any coincidence that McGowan, the PwC GM, Clarkson, Kochie and Dimma all stepped down in the same week?
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Corporal Agarn AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #26

Corporal Agarn
There will be more to come over this.....

thenewdaily.com.au/sport/afl/2023/05/31/...eaking_live_scroll=1
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #27

hypen
I keep hearing how complex this matter is. Why is it complex? Where is the complexity. What has the AFL been doing for the past seven months?
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 1 year 1 month ago #28

jezzaargh
per my post on the "Clarkson Steps Aside" thread, the complexity is:


i) the initial review wasn't intended as a process for making and testing allegations
ii) allegations were leaked to the media
iii) Clarko wants his "day in court" (ie a rigorous cross examination of those making allegations)
iv) those who raised these issues in the review don't want to be cross examined
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