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TOPIC: AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference

hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #1

hypen
Tonight. Press conference AFL. Hawthorn racism.
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Snail 5.45pm our time. 8 months 3 weeks ago #2

Snail
Complete smokescreen by the AFL.
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Straddo 5.45pm our time. 8 months 3 weeks ago #3

Straddo
Conveniently no report from the panel, with the investigation wrapped up before it could be delivered. So, after all this, no one will be any the wiser on the details of what happened.

Interestingly they're holding a stick up for the Hawks, presumably to encourage the Hawks to resolve any pending litigation with expediency.
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #4

hypen
Questions.

Did Clarkson and Fagan give evidence? If not, how is it no adverse findings? And is that term the same as "charges not being upheld"?

Did AFL or Hawthorn leak this?

Are the AFL ticked off with Hawthorn over what they did or simply the way they did it?

Can we say these two are exonerated?
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #5

hypen
And finally why is everything so hard with the AFL? I used to say to a previous employer who has been in the news a fair bit, "we're not smart enough to lie". As painful as it initially just tell the truth already!
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Walter the baker AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #6

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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #7

jezzaargh
hypen - read the full statement...

a) The AFL acknowledges each one of the Complainants feels hurt, pain and anguish following their time at the Hawthorn FC.

b) The Parties acknowledge that the manner in which their allegations were leaked to the media was not in any party’s best interests.

c) The Complainants acknowledge that the Independent Panel established by the AFL was a positive and constructive process for their allegations to be fully and fairly investigated in a culturally safe way and that they have only agreed to the termination of that process because of this agreement.
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #8

hypen
Doesn't answer my questions, Jezzargh.
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #9

jezzaargh
Did Clarkson and Fagan give evidence? Can't tell.

If not, how is it no adverse findings? I expect the complainants did not want to revisit what was said to the review in this AFL investigation. Without their full participation, there's not enough to support a charge

And is that term the same as "charges not being upheld"? No, it's even better. There are no charges being made by the AFL

Did AFL or Hawthorn leak this? If by "this" you mean the Hawthorn report, I'd say it was neither. What benefit would it have provided them? It's a classic anonymous whistle-blower scenario.

Are the AFL ticked off with Hawthorn over what they did or simply the way they did it? Hawthorn weren't part of this investigation process, but are clearly still in the firing line.

Can we say these two are exonerated? Pretty much. Fagan already has.
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shane AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #10

shane
I think that North Melbourne invested their future in Clarkson and the AFL couldn't afford for them to lose that future, so they set up a weak inquiry designed to come to no conclusion, over something there were going to be minimal consequences for anyway.

They frame these things as equating to a trial, so that a lack of a conclusion means the person is entirely off the hook. It wasn't never about crime, it was about character.

What we do know is that three grown men showed up at the house of a young woman to help her boyfriend break up with her, and they claim that was all normal. Just normal employment stuff where all your bosses come out for relationship help.

It doesn't matter what the inquiry didn't find, we can see what they're like as people. They're nutjobs, all three of them. Creepy nutjobs.
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #11

jezzaargh
The AFL Investigation was completely and utterly the wrong tool for this job. Hence, why the AFL selected it.

I expect the "commitment to initiatives" outlined at the foot of the statement is what the complainants have accepted as a settlement. Potential some real and important improvements, potentially none at all.

Who will hold them accountable to those?
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Matebe AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #12

Matebe
As soon as Ratten stepped into the caretaker role at North, it became in everybody’s best interest to wrap up the investigation ASAP.
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #13

jezzaargh
also, this is only the end of the AFL's investigation process.

there are other forums where this could still play out...
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 8 months 3 weeks ago #14

jezzaargh
also, this is only the end of the AFL's investigation process.

there are other forums where this could still play out...
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