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TOPIC: These Bumps

Tricolour These Bumps 1 year 3 weeks ago #29

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Imagine if the AFl adjudicated high bumps the same way it adjudicates 'kicking in danger'. For the latter, it doesn't matter if you meant to hurt your opponent or just got your timing wrong, it also doesn't matter if you made contact with them or not. You've gone to kick the ball when there's a risk your foot will make contact with an opponent, tough.
If I ran the AFL, and you'll all be glad I don't, a deliberate bump that makes contact from the neck up would be an automatic suspension that clubs would not be able to contest at the tribunal (I'd like to see lawyers out of the game almost as much I want to see gambling out of it).
The AFL has to take a hardline from here on or it may as well add litigation costs to its annual budget.
But of course it won't stop concussions. Players will still fall awkwardly, bump heads... and now here's the hard part. Fans think getting rid of the high bump will ruin the game? Wait until you see your star player forced out for a month after a concussion, and then for the whole season after a second one in the same season. How about your club no longer being able to honour a player's contract if he gets a certain number of concussions in a set number of years, and he is obliged to retire?
Because that's where we're headed. We know one severe concussion can do permanent damage on its own, but the real damage is done from multiple concussions. And once you've got one, your risk of another is high for many weeks, even months, afterwards. I think the AFL's two week protocol will come to be seen as not sufficient to safeguard players' brains.
And if that's the case, trying to eliminate deliberate high hits becomes even more important, because that one bump could contribute to ruining your opponents season or even career.
The game will have to change, the AFL has no choice.
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shane These Bumps 1 year 3 weeks ago #30

shane
The AFL knows it has no choice. The game has changed. It keeps changing. The changes the AFL have made have been resisted by others at every stage.

The bump in the spotlight was banned. The AFL did that already. It was an illegal bump, delivered outside of the AFL rules.

You want to double ban it.
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Tricolour These Bumps 1 year 3 weeks ago #31

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Not sure what you mean by double ban it... the only change I would make is to make the suspensions incontestable. But that's partly because I hate how the AFL allows clubs to use lawyers to get players off charges.
But I think the people pushing back and complaining that the game is being ruined by all this concern about brain injuries because we'll see fewer bumps are in for a shock when the protocols for concussed players evolve. That's going to be the challenging part.
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Morgan These Bumps 1 year 3 weeks ago #32

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Shane’s point that most bumps do not result in a concussion and that most concussion injuries are not caused by bumps is well made.

If you were to break down the ways a player can get concussed, and the ways the AFL has responded, it paints a picture of a league trying to make the game safer.

i. A player gets bumped in the head as he picks up the ball: the AFL has cracked down heavily on that. It’s largely irradiated something that happened every game.

ii. A player gets punched or elbowed in the head on purpose: the AFL has cracked down heavily on that. You just don’t really see it anymore.

iii. A player gets sling tackled to the ground: that AFL has made some progress on that, but it’s a little tricky to adjudicate.

iv. Two players run for the same ball and one player gets there first and gets collected by the other guy. That’s a ‘fabric of the game’ issue, and we’re starting to see a duty of care applied, but it’s about changing player behaviour which takes a long time.

v. A player bumps another player instead of tackling. Players are getting suspended, but the argument is for long enough.

vi. A player gets cannoned into / punched in the head late in a marking contest: the AFL has cracked down on that.

vii. A player gets kneed in the head in a marking contest: the AFL won’t touch this because it’s ‘a feature of the game’. Probably fair enough.

viii. A player gets hit by oncoming traffic running with the flight of the ball or backing into a pack. This is a really tricky one, and probably won’t change for a long time. I think players who ‘take a look’ get way too much criticism.

ix. A player doesn’t see a shepherd coming: the AFL has cracked down heavily on head-high contact.

x. Some random thing like a guy inadvertently being kneed in the head while on the ground or bad technique on a tackle. Very little that can be done by the AFL.

The AFL is moving the game in the right direction, but it can’t happen all at once. I actually think they’re doing a decent job in all the circumstances, and it’s worth remembering that your average poster on Dockerland is a little bit more progressive that the average AFL fan.

I think in time they’ll get rid of the bump entirely, but I consider they almost have. It’s almost always a free kick down the ground when a player is hit even marginally late after a kick. If you hit a player in the head you’ll get a few weeks on the sideline.

To me, the fact that AFL players are faster, stronger, have more collisions, and have more scrutiny for pulling out of contests than ever before is a much bigger issue than whether a player gets 3 or 5 weeks for hitting someone high.
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Tricolour These Bumps 1 year 3 weeks ago #33

Tricolour
Yes, I see your point. I agree with all of that.
I was just making the point that it’s how they treat the inevitable injuries themselves that will have to evolve - as for all contact sports. It’s not going to be popular with fans and players alike if we start to see lengthy enforced absences.
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rogerrocks These Bumps 1 year 3 weeks ago #34

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You can't get rid of the bump. One of your teammates is going for the ball, and an opponent is going to mow him down. You get your body in the way and give him a nice fair bump. No head contact. No intention to unnecessarily hurt - just a bump to change his momentum so that your player gets a chance.

A few years ago the AFL said that the player initiating the bump was the one responsible for any head contact. Just enforce that, along with suspensions that are long enough for coaches to decide that they will no longer tolerate gratuitously violent bumps by their players.
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jezzaargh These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #35

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so, where do we stand re: the Logue and Acres decisions?

how about O'Meara's clash with Withering?
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shane These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #36

shane
I don't think Logue showed any concern for Day and was responsible for any damage he caused.

Acres should have been cleared.

Witherden should get a week for trying to take out O'Meara's legs in a marking contest.
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KingKepler These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #37

KingKepler
Is there any evidence out there that wearing helmets reduces the chance of a concussion? If so would there be any merit in forcing players to wear one for protection as there are many unavoidable collisions which are not the result of unfair play.
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jezzaargh These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #38

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KK - my understanding is that helmets don't help.

They prevent superficial injuries (cuts, bruises etc) but not concussions, which are from the brain rattling around inside the skull, like a jellyfish in a bowl of broth.
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shane These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #39

shane
Helmets protect things from hitting the outside of your head; they can't protect your brain from hitting the inside of your head.
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shane These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #40

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Jellyfish soup - underrated
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pollyanna These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #41

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For a very good reason.
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itscraptacular These Bumps 1 year 2 weeks ago #42

itscraptacular
I don't go to watch players being ironed out as if I wanted to watch 'heros' like Leigh Matthews or Warren Ralph.

Aussie Rules is lucky that we probably still have an incredible game without players assaulting each-other's heads.
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