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TOPIC: Hawthorn Racism Review

jezzaargh Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #239

jezzaargh
Walter, I'm not unfamiliar with these processes.

In my experience, the players who protest the loudest at every turn usually fare the worst. I stand by my comment this morning - there's no need for Alistair Clarkson to make public comments in the manner he has. Its the lightly veiled equivalent of Putin's nuclear threat.

There's no winners in these sorts of scenarios but get used to it - Truth Commissions are on their way in this country and we are going to hear many personal perspectives that will make a lot of us uncomfortable.

When the dust settles, hopefully someone learns something and history doesn't repeat itself
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Walter the baker Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #240

Walter the baker
I’ll make it shorter for you Hypen.
Too many people are passing judgement without knowing the full facts. That’s not fair on those that are being labelled as guilty without having had the opportunity to present their version of events.
I’m not defending anyone, or suggesting that racism isn’t a major problem, I’m just saying that at this point in time we don’t know what happened, so judgements of guilt are really just ill informed speculation.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #241

shane
For all you know, I could have intimate details about the entire thing. You don't have the facts but you have passed judgment on me. For shame.
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hypen Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #242

hypen
If you go back and read what people have been talking about:

1 Clarkson is a psycho, don't know if he did all this but when it comes to winning we've seen what a psycho he is, and he's gotten away with it thus far...

2 The AFL are a joke,

3 It's sad and surprising to see Fagan in all this, seems like a total not psycho, hope it's wrong,

4 The AFL are a joke,

5 Clarkson came out and used words that will serve no-one well, the press used words that were garbage,

6 The AFL are a joke.

There isn't a lot of judging being done in the way you are saying.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #243

pollyanna
What was reported - checked and verified as fact before publication - stands with numerous editorial and regulatory bodies behind it. To my knowledge there hasn't been any defamation actions taken as yet - which means it stands as a factual representation. In my view - and I could be wrong (of course) - that alone gets it 90% there. Will a disclosure of what someone was intending or meant to say/do mitigate that 90%? We'll see, but I doubt it - until there's a retraction by those who have spoken and reported on these things, it stands as fact.
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guy smiley Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #244

guy smiley
I reckon he did it

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jezzaargh Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #245

jezzaargh
Polly:

(i) what was reported is the fact that allegations were made, not that the alleged conduct actually occurred

ii) a good reason not to commence a defamation trial yet is that the defence of "truth" means the content of the allegations would be aired in court. As you would have seen from the BR-S case, that often doesn't end well. Plenty of time to sit and wait for the AFL "process" to be completed and then sue the ABC
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #246

pollyanna
Fair enough - 89% then.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #247

shane
The lesson will be that you don't go into a meeting with Alistair Clarkson unless you have your manager on the phone. At the very least have a tape recorder running.
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guy smiley Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #248

guy smiley
Three things we've learnt this year, then...

You can shoot a satellite into an asteroid from a couple of million kms away

don't invade Ukraine in the early spring

and never enter a room containing Alistair Clarkson alone.
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blockerhall Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #249

blockerhall
Not a baker! My dreams have crumbled. My 2c-
i) AFL are master duck-shovers
ii) Clarko is a psycho
iii) Indigenous AFL players are at lesser risk of mistreatment by clubs and management only by virtue of the publication of these allegations, not through club processes.
iv) whitewash is 90 89% complete already.
v) No escaped goats will be harmed in the making of the review.
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guy smiley, Bizkit, shane, pollyanna, Corporal Agarn, themagoos said You Beaut

The American Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #250

The American
(Don’t forget the fourth thing we learned, which is to never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.)
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fradonjan Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #251

fradonjan
Yeh Polly i think the rat is gorging on your cinamon bun.
I dont know if rats shed their summer fur,but this one is shedding that as quick as he can,so he can get more protection for the cold months ahead.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 4 months ago #252

pollyanna
If you're hoping Walter is going to set out a fresh rack of buns in the morning, forget it.
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