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TOPIC: Hawthorn Racism Review

fradonjan Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #225

fradonjan
That rat i mentioned a couple of weeks ago ,is now a teenager ,and growing.
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jezzaargh Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #226

jezzaargh
does Clarko really need to say "we're going to defend ourselves strongly". Seems like a relic of 80s blokeydom

surely a modern man would express his concern for the past players' welfare, and say he's prepared to cooperate fully with the process.

I hate where this is going
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Quasimodo Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #227

Quasimodo
You are making an assumption that Clarko is a modern man.

Don’t assume.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #228

shane
He also went with something about there being more to the story. Which seems to be him saying everything that he's been accused of happening, but he reckons he can justify it all by slurring young women.
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guy smiley Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #229

guy smiley
There's been a subtle shift in the way media are reporting on this lately...

it's become a matter of 'Hawthorn accusers' when the stories being told are those of victims. Almost an inconsequential difference... apart from it being a massive difference.
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hypen Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #230

hypen
Think we shouldn't forget that Hawthorn instigated this report.

I prefer the term "invited participants". They asked so they told.

Hawthorn and the AFL are useless.
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Straddo Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #231

Straddo
I thought that the statement released by Amy perfectly summed up the situation from her point of view. There was enough technical jargon for the AFL to have to respond and at the same time written in simple terms that everyone should be able to understand. I think it's great that the AFL is getting called out for rushing the process and not really understanding, I suspect no one is going to be satisfied with the outcome, regardless of what happens. Watch the AFL try to spin it as "everyone wins" where no one gets punished and the victims get acknowledged and some nominal extra support.
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Mushroom Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #232

Mushroom
Pure and simple gaslighting.

Menacing and calculated.

And the dude is officially coaching for remuneration again. Any parent of a player at North Melbourne should be incensed, right now.
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Hubble Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #233

Hubble
This is a critical time. I think that the Federal Government should insist that an independent enquiry outside of the AFL and reporting to the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs should be instigated. This is a Black Lives Matter issue. The AFL is an appalling institution with their backing of gambling, fast food etc etc.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #234

pollyanna
Surely I'm not the only one that finds similarity between Lang Hancock's social engineering ideas and Clarko's Aboriginal player development strategies?
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Walter the baker Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #235

Walter the baker
Apologies for the long post but I feel that some of us are getting ahead of ourselves with this extremely complicated matter.

No one “wins” with this issue. Not the AFL, Hawthorn, the accusers (victims?) and, possibly, the defendants (victims?). While it’s clearly an investigation that we have to have given the seriousness of the allegations, everyone (the innocent, the guilty, the bystander) is scarred in some way.

For the sake of full disclosure (and I’m uncomfortable going into this space) I used to manage a complaints and conduct “integrity” unit that looked after 85,000 potential clients within our organisation (no, I’m not a baker!). Situations such as this are unfortunately not uncommon to me. While I wish there were easy processes that arrive at fair outcomes in every case, that isn’t the real world. Anyone who suggests that dealing this complex issue is a straight forward matter is being naive and simplistic. No matter what action was taken after (and before) the allegations came to light there would be a contrary view. It’s a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Respond too fast, respond to slow. Participate or don’t participate. Defend or don’t defend. Pick this investigator, pick that investigator. He said, she said, they said. Etc etc.

Most (all?) of us outsiders have no idea of the facts at this stage but many still feel they know enough to pass judgment, which in most cases seems to be based on preconceived views of the various parties that are involved without any real knowledge of what occurred. We’ve only really heard one side of the issue (which I’m not for one second wishing to diminish, far from it, they are extremely disturbing allegations and should be taken very seriously, and if the coaches are guilty I hope they are severely dealt with in the most significant manner possible) but we can’t base our views on hearing one side, regardless of how compelling it is.

I don’t know what happened and very few, if any, of us do. At this stage I don’t know who to believe even though I might want to suggest the most likely scenario based on life experience and observations, but that doesn’t mean it applies to this case. One side of this sad situation may be more likely to be telling the truth, but we simply don’t know at this stage. Projecting our views at this time is speculation, not fact.

It would be nice to think that the truth will come out given the KC’s that are involved, but that might be wishful thinking. Either way I hope some good comes out if this for the sake of future indigenous players in the AFL and the broader community’s awareness of racism in, and outside of, sport.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #236

shane
Yeah, nah.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #237

pollyanna
So there ain't no cinnamon buns coming in the morning.
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hypen Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 5 months ago #238

hypen
Don't apologise for writing a long post.

Apologise for not saying anything.
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