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TOPIC: Hawthorn Racism Review

shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #127

shane
Yep, they gradually nudge the goalposts until they the issue becomes so broad that nothing can be done to fix it.

When someone gets murdered, they investigate that specific murder. They don't let it slide while they do a review into how to stop murder from happening.
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rogerrocks Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #128

rogerrocks
I was online in some other forums and the extent of racism amongst the commenters is appalling. They run the "All lives matter" defence. They run the "Brought it on themselves" defence. They say to focus on the future on stop dredging up the past. And of course, in their general footy commentary, they always single out the indigenous players as "lazy".

I'm quite sick of these people.
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Molly Maguire Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #129

Molly Maguire
Rogerrocks, are these other, inferior, copycat Freo forums (fora?)
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Corporal Agarn Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #130

Corporal Agarn
We are at this stage one of only two clubs saying we'd be happy with a review.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&...U5UVLHiySf5HN2GpbeJl
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Grub Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #131

Grub
Which means they are open to receiving instructions from the AFL.
I may be in cloud cuckoo land but I’d be way prouder of a club that ran their own race, commissioned a truly independent review and published the findings and a plan for the future. Regardless of what may come out if the review.
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jcalb Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #132

jcalb
“AFL Players’ Association backs calls for club-by-club review in wake of Hawthorn racism allegations” - Another organisation that should be held to account. The AFLPA should have been all over this as it was happening at Hawthorn. Not come out years later and be "shocked". The AFLPA is about as useful as the AFL. Once again zero rapport with First Nations players throughout the competition because if it did, the players at Hawthorn should have approached the AFLPA immediately. Directly from the AFLPA website:

The AFLPA has a rich history and has entrenched itself as a key stakeholder in the AFL industry as the representative body for male, female and past player members.

It has a beautiful fluffy website with all the usual corporate garbage. Current and previous presidents of the AFLPA should be rebuked. (Sorry Pav). As soon as the word stakeholder is used, everything after that should be ignored.
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jas Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #133

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RR - yep, a cursory read through comments attached to any of the articles published on this issue seems to suggest that a disturbing number of people seem happy to believe that the players involved are lying, are only after money now as their careers disappear into the distance, Eddie Betts is making it all up, and so on and so on. If what is on social media is reflective of broader society, then we, as a community, still have a worryingly long way to go.
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Raglan Matt Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #134

Raglan Matt
I think Freo would be not unduly worried about any sort of enquiry, sure the way Josh Simpson was treated was not good, but it seemed to be a coach who thought a player was getting above himself, and was a long way from what was done to the Hawthorn players.

I agree with Shane, the media and AFL reaction seems to me to be trying to plead the "everyone did it in those days" defense, which is indefensible. Investigate the case at hand, and then take it further if it turns out that more young players from other clubs have evidence of wrong done to them.
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jezzaargh Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #135

jezzaargh
not sure the AFLPA is flush with the resources it would need to play the role of decent support for vulnerable players

it's basically there for negotiating the pay deals and employment conditions, plus conducting a few polls for peer awards...
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #136

shane
They have a bigger budget than Essendon
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jezzaargh Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #137

jezzaargh
OK - wow, the AFLPA seems to have been on a trajectory of rapid growth but their budget is still a smidge smaller than Essendon's

there seems to be a well set up indigenous support arm, which I guess wasn't in place at the time the events took place at Hawthorn. seems like the building blocks are in place, it's now about shifting the power base, where coaches don't control players lives
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Raglan Matt Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #138

Raglan Matt
Naah, it's about shifting the power base to where racists aren't in control of anything.
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Quasimodo Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #139

Quasimodo
Right wing trogs on internet claiming Goanna is woke.

They’ve been awake 40 years you racist fools.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 year 6 months ago #140

shane
That is hilarious. If you're against Shane Howard and Christine Anu you're on the wrong side of history.
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