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TOPIC: Frederick Dumped

Corporal Agarn Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #113

Corporal Agarn
No, Melbourne's response was woefully inadequate.
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guy smiley Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #114

guy smiley
I dunno Biz...

how many losses on the trot are Melbourne up to, now?
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Tragic Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #115

Tragic
When somebody does something wrong the aims of the "sentence" are
I. Provide the suitable punishment for their inappropriate behavior
II. Protect society from them
III. Educate them in a manner that prevents them from repeating the offense.

I think a lot of us get stuck on the first point and fail to recognise that excessive punishment may delay or actually prevent rehabilitation.
and I am not going to mention relocating the OOFTITS to Antarctica as part of II above.
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dark horse Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #116

dark horse
True, Tragic, however the IVth reason for a punishment is to deter others from doing the same...
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Tragic Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #117

Tragic
Hi Dark Horse. You are stuck on the first point.
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ManInPurple Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #118

ManInPurple
Biz

There are a dozen options that both Freo and the Dees could have pursued in their respective cases.
It is debatable whether Freo's the right 'punishment', or too hard. It is debatable whether the Dees punishment was right , or too soft. We can all argue the intricacies till the cows come home.

Point is, Freo had a player-agreed rule. I assume the repercussions of breaching the rule were also agreed, and known to the playing group.

If you choose to breach that, thats your choice. Cop the consequences and move on, one way or another.

I have a mate who bought a motorbike that had the rear number plate tipped up. When he bought it he told me, and others, that it was illegal to have the number plate tipped up that much.
I looked at it and thought "wtf, why is that illegal" as despite the relatively slight angle, you could still *easily* read the number plate from a distance - it didn't provide meaningful obstruction.
He said he was going to fix it, as it was an on the spot $1000 fine (according to him).
About a year later, the cops pulled him over and gave him a $1000 fine for the angle on his number plate.
He tried to argue the point, saying it was like that when he bought it, but since he'd owned it for 12 months they rejected his argument.
Maybe it is a stupid law. Maybe the cops were a bit stiff. Point is, he knew the rule, he knew the punishment, and he chose to do nothing about it, and he got pinged. Sound familiar?
Guess what? Within a week he fixed the bike. And so did 2 of our other mates.
Alternatively, he could have run the gauntlet and left it as is (...keep drinking against the agreed timelines), or he could have sold his bike (...move club), or stopped riding all together (...retire to WAFL).

Freo players have another option that my mate doesn't: they could change the rule (and its agreed 'punishment') if they want.
Or they can choose to keep it.
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Bizkit Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #119

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Everyone can agree that May's punishment is very light, there is a gulf between the two actions.

The point is, they are both sentences that are far from the crime.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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shane Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #120

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"The players agreed to a rule" argument is nonsense. As if they all made a pact by the campfire never to drink when the break between games is less than 7 days.

The club imposed a rule and the filtered it through the players because they wanted to get around the AFLPA rules about this sort of thing. You can pretty much do anything if you say "the players agreed to it".

The rule is not a condition of their employment. It is essentially a self imposed penalty enforced through peer pressure. It's workplace bullying. The union should stamp it out.
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pollyanna Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #121

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No plates on the front of a motorbike - I made the front page of The Worst one day in the '90s giving the two handed one finger salute to a speed camera on Bayview Tce (near the old Swan Brewery). Naturally, some people recognised me and told my wife. I tell you, the speeding fine would have been a god-send compared to the punishment I got (for weeks) at home.

Hopefully Freddy's teammates will accept that he's done his time and will be willing to kick the ball to him in the next game.
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ManInPurple Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #122

ManInPurple
As I've said all along, if the players don't like it then they can change it.
If it is a club imposed rule, not player imposed, and/or if the players don't like it then they can absolutely complain to the AFL, or the Players Association, or Fair Work.

They haven't yet. I guess time will tell us if they do in the future.

I for one will support their decision either way.
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TheColonel Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #123

TheColonel
Bailey Smoth got 2 weeks for his "misdemeanour" - here
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hypen Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #124

hypen
What ticks me off is how everyone goes gaga over the enforcement of rules that don't really serve a purpose. It's like an opportune time to showcase everyone's professionalism at the expense of a bloke who drank a glass of beer.
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Tragic Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #125

Tragic
Polly, I think I remember that photo. Now I am wondering if alcohol was involved. Bayview Terrace is in Claremont and hits Stirling Hwy at lights. The Swan Brewery is on Mounts Bay Road. The two locations are about 10km from each other
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expat Frederick Dumped 1 year 10 months ago #126

expat
So, the illicit drug thingy is as equivalent as a chicken-wing based on the suspension received...
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