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CaptSnooze Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #15

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Russia aiming to control hitherto untapped Black Sea oil and gas reserves from Ukraine, and China setting up in the Solomons injects some hard realpolitik into the equation.

As well as Japan currently,. there is likely to be huge demand from friendly nations. It's probably going to happen.
Better than coal.
Sponsors for the club? There are a lot worse out there.
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Morgan Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #16

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My kid is 5 and he’s nuts about Freo. All he wants to do is dress up exactly like a Freo player and play footy in the backyard. He wants to know exactly what each patch on the jumper is, so I have had to explain to him what the Woodside patch is. Given how much I worry about the future he’s being left – with climate change near the top of the list – it feels a little uncomfortable.

But I can’t say for sure what I would do if I was in the position of Alcock or Garlick. It shouldn’t be up to people like them to have to decide whether a company like Woodside is complicit in the problem or part of a responsible energy transition. It shouldn’t even be up to Woodside or their shareholders. In my view it’s the Government’s responsibility to manage this transition and to create the levers, or consequences, for companies like Woodside to work within. Instead of leading, the Morrison government is “strongly committed to a gas-led recovery”. I think when you get a direction like that from the Government it becomes difficult for people running a footy club to make a contrary decision without being accused of being political.

Personally, I don’t have an issue with Freo being political, because my politics align with the area the club is named after; but I know there were those on here during the Marriage Equality vote that took a different view and thought it wasn’t the place for clubs to take a political position (I thought it was more a human rights issue but let’s not rehash that).

There’s a similar issue with gambling companies. There’s nothing illegal about gambling but I’d prefer for the club not to promote it too heavily.

What I would hope is that Freo is at some level having a conversation about this with Woodside now. The cynic in me predicts that Woodside will create a renewables subsidiary at some point (not unlike Fortescue has done with FFI), and should the sponsorship continue that will be the club sponsor, and we can move the conversation along slightly to how complicit Freo is in the greenwashing of a petroleum company.
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Dockermus Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #17

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Call me naive but, do sponsors actually have a big effect on the way the team plays? Would taking Woodside off the playing kit actually improve the team so that, say, Freo wouldn’t lose another game they were expected to win, like last week? It’s just footy, after all.
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themagoos Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #18

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So climate change is all the public's fault - that's a new one. People objecting to having a fossil fuel corporation use a football club to advertise themselves as caring and community-minded are just after cheap attention, that's pretty cute too. So is the belief that a fossil fuel company who is looking to expand it's operations dramatically cares for anything except its shareholders. These companies have known that burning oil, coal and gas leads to climate change for decades, and long before it was a thing. Did they, as a rule, do anything about it, or did they use donations, lobbying, greenwashing and corruption to delay having to do anything about it? The below article is from The Scientific American:

"Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue, according to a recent investigation from InsideClimate News. This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the world’s largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformation—an approach many have likened to the lies spread by the tobacco industry regarding the health risks of smoking. Both industries were conscious that their products wouldn’t stay profitable once the world understood the risks, so much so that they used the same consultants to develop strategies on how to communicate with the public..."
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shane Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #19

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Woodside are a group of shareholders who make money from selling a product that is going to kill the planet. The planet where all of us are living. They are not like you. They are not supporters of a football club. They are a company that buys a service from Fremantle.

They give Fremantle money and, in exchange, Fremantle soften their reputation a bit so that people view it as some sort of entity that exists outside of making money from selling a product that is going to kill the planet. It works really well.

You can tell this because it's group of shareholders who make money from selling a product that is going to kill the planet and yet, there are people defending their planet destroying business on the grounds that they have been loyal to a sporting team.

The question here isn't about whether Woodside should be able to do what they do. Of course they shouldn't, they are killing the planet. The question is, should Fremantle sell their reputation to soften the image of a planet destroying company.

Personally, I'd like to see the club not sell themselves as apologists for a company profiting from the genocide of the human race. But I'm like that.
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blockerhall Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #20

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dont start me on crypto
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Noddy Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #21

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If we all stop driving cars, cooking our meals, heating and cooling our houses and taking hot showers right now I’m all for dumping Woodside.
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expat Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #22

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Who knows what will really happen. Nature seems to have a way of coping.
We are all up in arms about global warming.
But who really knows... maybe planet earth with sense the warming and adjust it's orbit around the sun increasing its radius and hence enforcing a global cooling such that the polar ice caps freeze up once again.
This won't happen overnight, but will take many many Freo Premierships.
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guy smiley Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #23

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here's a list of the top 100 corporate polluters in the world,ranked by carbon emissions...

peri.umass.edu/greenhouse-100-polluters-index-current

You'll note that the top 10 are all companies involved in power plants, refineries, petroleum, natural gas and the rest. The so called energy industry is the filthiest and as Shane says... they're actively involved in killing the planet.

to make it worse, these mega companies know full well what they're doing and use their considerable weight to influence governments.

Here's another list that shows the Australian top 10...

www.cleanenergyregulator.gov.au/NGER/Nat...gas-emitters-2019-20

Woodside come in at no 9, so relax. They're not as bad as...


oh, hang on. They're making their money from killing the planet.

You know... OUR planet that we rely on for living.


There's actually no need to humour thee types of companies at all. We've got an over abundance of alternative energy sources available and the technology to make that usable. Now.

There's no place for a carbon polluter in a sport that demands athleticism and the conversion of oxygen to energy.
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Eventually Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #24

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I'm here to support my beloved Dockers, sorry but you greeny first, teal supporters can all go elsewhere! Lets concentrate on winning our first flag I dont give a toss about some left wing, European ( I dont have any resources) propaganda. This is a football site leave your politics at home!
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shane Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #25

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No footy on a dead planet.
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hypen Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #26

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I've always wondered what part of carbon caught in the atmosphere wreaking havoc with our climate creating an existential threat is political?

Isn't like Sunday trading a political issue.
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Dockermus Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #27

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A personal opinion but I’d say the likes of McDonalds, Hungry Jacks and KFC currently present a greater existential threat to the world population than Woodside.

* Obesity and diabetes probably kill more people per annum and therefore present a greater risk than Woodside’s operations, but sometime in the future, that situation may be reversed.
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pollyanna Woodside Petroleum 1 year 11 months ago #28

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Cows don't exist on a dead planet either. It may be too late to save this thing we live on but we've got to do our bit right now.
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