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Walter the baker Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #99

Walter the baker
A first round pick for a player that has been in the system for three years and still can’t get a regular spot in their team would be extremely disappointing. We risk swapping Cerra for Clark plus some draft pick steak knives. I can’t believe that the club would do that. (Actually I can believe it but I hope they don’t)
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R.Lyon Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #100

R.Lyon
Pick 27 is overs for Clark. It’d have to be a pick in the late 30’s or 40’s for me
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Bizkit Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #101

Bizkit
Geelong are just being silly here. 27 is more than I'd pay for Clark but given we don't have anything later to offer, is probably what happens. More than that is a hard pass.

Go to the draft to grab a quality kid and Clark can come home when he's out of contract next year.
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Eggy Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #102

Eggy
So let me get this straight we get pick 6 for a star and someone eastern states journo even get the name correct and give up pick 8 for some bloke I hadn’t heard of until his name crops up on Dockerland.
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bozza Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #103

bozza
Biz, the problem we have with Geelong is they play just as hard with a contracted player then they do with an uncontracted one. Clark will be no cheaper next year. Your right 27 is about what we should offer but the Cats are waiting to see what happens with the Cerra deal. They are in no rush.
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R34 Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #104

R34
Hope we're better at dealing with Geelong than WC were , selling the farm for one player
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Morgan Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #105

Morgan
I generally defer to Bizkit on draft matters, but where we diverge a little is the value of second round picks.

Pick 27s, on average, play 64 AFL games. When weighing up a trade for a player, the first question I ask myself is whether the incoming player is likely to exceed that. The next questions are about fit in the team, and whether there are players in that range of the current draft that really stand out.

In this case, I feel Clark is a very good chance to play more than 64 games for Freo. We are definitely short of some run, so I think the fit would be good. I’ll defer to Bizkit about the opportunity costs of missing a good player at pick 27, but it feels to me like the WA kids we have our eye on will go higher than that.

I reckon pick 27 is fair. If we stumbled on an extra pick in the 20s I’d probably think about it, but it would depend on who we liked on the draft board and where we think they’ll land.

Missing out on Clark is by no means a disaster. I think that means Bell can just leave that picking hanging in the breeze until the last day or so.
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Bizkit Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #106

Bizkit
I'm not a fan of comparing a draft selection too far back or averaging what that selection gives you. Drafting has become far more predictable/reliable over the past decade and with clubs taking in different strategies and requirements, it's not often a valid comparison. If a club is desperate for a tall/ruck/small forward etc, they often reach for a weaker player to fill a need. Similarly, clubs often reach for a local player rather than the next best player who they have to fight to retain. Different drafts also have different qualities with some full of better players (2018 super draft) or more KPP/midfielders. There's a lot of variables to take into account.

I'm confident there will be plenty of talent left on the board throughout the second round with JVR, Motlop, Williams and Bazzo all listed in Cal Twomey's 20-30 range based on talent. I'd probably take most of those guys ahead of Clark along with a number of others. The benefit of Clark is he has more of an instant impact with his more mature body however he's played less football than all of those WA kids in the past couple of years due to playing VFL during covid hit times.

For a comparison of pick 27 in recent years, the 2020 draft had us pick O'Driscoll at 27 who's still developing. The year before (2019) it was Jeremy Sharp who broke out in stunning form this season. Before that (2018), Tom Sparrow who just won a premiership. The 2017 draft was Brent Daniels who's been decent but was selected either side of Liam Ryan and Sam Taylor who've been guns. In 2016 Zac Fisher was 27 with Lipinski and Fritsch the two selected after him.

In most years it's a very good level of talent in that 20-30 range and it should be no different this year. There's no way I'd go higher than 27 which is already over paying for Clark.
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Docker by the Sea Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #107

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I’ve cooled on Clark. I would hesitantly give up pick 27. I watched him a bit this year because he was in my fantasy team, and I found him disappointing.
I don’t like that nearly every article I read links him to the back line. We need outside speed on a wing but I’m not sure he is Monty to deliver this.
Pick 27 otherwise wait until next year, see if Geelong can get him to Cerra’s level. If they can then, offer the four year deal and a pick around 8. If he’s still not playing then it’s a third rounder, unless Frederick, Walker or pick 27 is able to do the job.
If Geelong aren’t willing to extend his current contract by 3 years to match our offer. How happy a player are they going to have on their hands?
We have offered fair value to Geelong and a generous offer to the player
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Gumnut Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #108

Gumnut
I think Cal Twomey's got it wrong on JVR, He will definitely go in first 20 probably Top 10 and I think Jack Williams is also a potential first round pick as well.
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Bizkit Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #109

Bizkit
That list is based on talent, not where the players will go in the draft. There's also probably been a fair bit of movement in the past month for the WA/SA prospects. It's more of a representation of who may potentially be available at 27 in comparison to Clark.

I know not everyone gets to a lot of the kids games or has access to a lot of the games on various subscription services but there's almost certainly more footage available of WA/SA kids than Clark in the past 2 years. I'd be backing in our recruiters to grab a talented kid at 27 given their impressive performances in drafts over the past 4/5 years.
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Walter the baker Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #110

Walter the baker
If Clark is being targeted as a half back we have rocks in our heads. The one part of our team that has full coverage is mid size half backs. We need speed and good kicking skills. If he can’t deliver that as a mid or winger then give him a miss and use the pick in the draft.
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Docker by the Sea Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #111

Docker by the Sea
100% WTB.
We must see this as his role with us but there’s marginal evidence to support this. I wasn’t keen on including SPS in the Cerra deal but he probably has as much likelihood of delivering as Clark.
The premise seems to be that he has been played out of position. This may be true but the majority of players that this is said about don’t actually deliver.
Nick Hind is a player to go against my statement but Williams to Carlton backs it up.
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pollyanna Jordan Clark 2 years 7 months ago #112

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SP-S will deliver, guaranteed.
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