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TOPIC: Intention

shane Intention 2 years 7 months ago #57

shane
Guilty

"The jury is satisfied that the contact was aggressive, demonstrative and disrespectful."
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Walter the baker Intention 2 years 7 months ago #58

Walter the baker
Toby is no saint but he ain't Satan devil. The following makes for an interesting read. 22 incidents over his career (no saint) but most are very naughty boy stuff (no Satan). Clearly he walks a fine line, and often crosses it, but it seems to be that most incidents aren't vicious brain snaps rather he isn't the sharpest tool in the kit and acts before he thinks. An example needs to be set but let's not turn him into a mass murderer.
GWS also have some work to do with Toby if they are to avoid similar situations in the future (he could derail their season), but given their lack of success up to this stage and their willingness to provide public defense of his actions, they may have a difficult task ahead of them.

www.afl.com.au/news/673086/toby-trouble-...ans-nearly-30k-fines
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shane Intention 2 years 7 months ago #59

shane
I assume they are just waiting for the penalty to be handed out before they lodge the appeal.
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Freo66 Intention 2 years 7 months ago #60

Freo66
Standby for certain members of DL about to go into meltdown.
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shane Intention 2 years 7 months ago #61

shane
Gleeson wants at least 6 matches. He's unhinged. Gaff got 8 for throwing a haymaker that put a kid in hospital.
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The_Yeti Intention 2 years 7 months ago #62

The_Yeti
It's classed as intentional if the contact was intimidating or disrespectful (a couple of other I can't recall)

Greene's actions were at the very least 'disrespectful' and deliberate contact with an umpire completely deserves weeks.
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DS Intention 2 years 7 months ago #63

DS
I assume Gleeson is related to Jackie. “To the moon Toby!”.
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shane Intention 2 years 7 months ago #64

shane
It's a bit jump from disrespectful contact to 6 weeks.
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The_Yeti Intention 2 years 7 months ago #65

The_Yeti
It's an ambit claim. Gleeson always wants to start at 'nuke' before escalating.

I'd say the AFL wants 3 - 4 weeks, probably 3.

edit: apparently the jury found it disrespectful, aggressive and demonstrative.
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dark horse Intention 2 years 7 months ago #66

dark horse
Hmm...would have to disagree, Shane. If it was another player, or someone in the street - nothing to see, off you go.
However, it is inherent on everyone who plays the game to not only not make intentional contact with an umpire, for any reason whatsoever, but also to avoid contact with an umpire. Given the umpire was stationary, Greene is required to step around him.
The heavy penalty is not to Greene, but as a deterrent to every other angry person who doesn't agree with the umpire's decision on-field - the filter-down is to amateurs where you have 14-year olds umpiring grown men ('cause no one else wants to) - if it's now ok to show 'em you don't like it then the umpires will quickly disappear.

Or...worst case, footy will descend into soccer farce where they get right up in the ref's face and scream when their dive goes unrewarded
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The_Yeti Intention 2 years 7 months ago #67

The_Yeti
....and he got three weeks.

He can start his September break a bit earlier this year.
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shane Intention 2 years 7 months ago #68

shane
Tough penalties as a deterrent to others has not really ever worked though.

His penalty should reflect what he did.
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shane Intention 2 years 7 months ago #69

shane
I think they'll appeal 3 weeks. They might have copped 1 or 2 but it's worth their time now.
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The_Yeti Intention 2 years 7 months ago #70

The_Yeti
Well, we're not going to agree on this but intentionally walking into an umpire is not a trivial offence. 3 weeks is hardly excessive.
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