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TOPIC: Coniglio for Cerra?

bozza Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #57

bozza
That’s a bit more like it Slammen. Cerra makes any side in the AFL a better team with what he offers. I think he is a unique mid with elite skills on both feet and a great decision maker. He has also shown himself to be durable. I’m still holding out hope he stays as I’m dreading watching him in other colours for the next 10 years.
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DS Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #58

DS
I think he has Brownlow written all over him.
Obviously his tattooist was very confident.
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shane Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #59

shane
All of the trade suggestions so far seem to leave us worse off.
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Morgan Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #60

Morgan
I’ll defer to Bizkit on how the draft and free agency works, but Cerra is not under contract, which means if he is keen to get back to Melbourne above all else he can get there through the draft. That changes the negotiations a little.

If they went to the draft Cerra’s management would be taking a risk that GC, GWS or Adelaide pick him up in the draft before Carlton, but why would they take a player who clearly doesn’t want to be anywhere than Melbourne? Which means North, Carlton, Hawthorn or Richmond can pick him up their top 10 picks. North won’t take him at 1, so Carlton, at pick 6, would be in the box seat. Why would Carlton offer Freo the world when there’s an 80% chance they can just pick him up at pick 6?

As a wrinkle, maybe Carlton or Hawthorn offers one of the non-Victorian teams a small sweetener to jump a few spots in the draft to take him? It would still cost less than what people seem to be after as a trade.

I’m not sure what Freo’s compensation would be for losing a player to Restricted Free Agency, but for Freo that becomes the floor price and my guess is that would be the first question they’d ask. If the hidden AFL algorithm spits out two first round picks, then you’d be asking for at least that or Freo just sits on their hands. If it’s one first round pick then it makes it a bit harder.
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dddocker Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #61

dddocker
Apparently Cerra is absolutely irreplaceable and other than picks 1 to 10 we'll have to live with the best outcome that can be negotiated. Picks and/or players? Comes down to personal opinion as to what the best deal is. I'm in the draft picks camp. Get the best draft picks we can for the new JC. Then use those picks wisely.
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jcalb Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #62

jcalb
We went to the draft and got Cerra. We might lose Cerra so we should go back to the draft. Circle work at its best.
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shane Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #63

shane
We gambled pick 5 on him and won, then put 76 games into him. He's easily worth two top 10 picks.

It's a guaranteed win for a club, plus all the development work, in exchange for two rolls of the dice. A club would be mad not to do make that trade.
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bozza Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #64

bozza
Morgan. Tim Kelly was also out of contract when he was traded to the Slime. If Carlton want him they deal. Suggesting pick 6 (pick 8 after father sons) and SPS gets its done is off the mark considerably.
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moodindigo Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #65

moodindigo
This draft looks a good one in terms of WA talent, so to end up with two or even three top 10s would be a good outcome. I don't see much value in SPS or Fisher, good players but never going to be elite. We might as well keep Conca, Acres et al. We should consider trading for the very young and very top end, like McDonald or Jackson, but only if the price is right. The aim should be a 2024 or 2025 Freo team with a dozen top 10 draft picks in it.
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TheColonel Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #66

TheColonel
Belly seems to get the draft trading about right - just let him do the best deal he can.
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jcalb Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #67

jcalb
If we get two top 10 picks for Cerra, then happy days. Just don't re draft Vic Metro. Why do people love SPS, I don't get it. Chuck him in as part of much better deal maybe, but he is pretty stock standard. Every year the draft of full of SPS types.
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Bizkit Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #68

Bizkit
Cerra is easily worth two top 10 picks. He's one of the best young midfielders in the game who is balanced as both an inside/outside player and blessed with elite foot skills. He's still only 21 with a huge body of work behind him and 10 years of quality footy left. If anything, two top 10 picks is well under his value.

Recent trading has proven the threat of walking to the draft is basically non existent and an equitable trade will be worked out. How the Blue's (or another Vic club) do that, I'm not sure but the use of future picks has enabled clubs to deal with each other a lot easier than in the past. While I don't particularly want Carlton's future 1st round pick, it could be used to get another top 10 pick this season.

SPS' development has been stunted pretty poorly at Carlton which has dropped his value significantly. He's had plenty of good games for the Blues but hasn't kicked on as much as a top 10 pick was expected to and been left in the cold. However that's pretty much the case with all of Carlton's top picks except Walsh. SPS in the right environment will be a star. He'd only be steak knives in any deal though, the icing on the cake which needs to be two top 10 picks.

it should also be mentioned, calling it a never ending rebuild is dumb. The rebuild didn't begin until we drafted Brayshaw and Cerra a few years ago with clearing of dead wood and the playing of our second tier players for a couple years in 2016 onwards not actually rebuilding. Our growth will come from the last 3 years of drafting as those players hit their early 20's. We are still well and truly in the draft phase so picks for Cerra are a win.
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hypen Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #69

hypen
Bizkit, he's not worth two top ten picks mate. Judd and Wayne Carey are worth two top ten picks. If you get their first round (top ten pick) and SPS, youve done pretty well and a good chance of breaking even.

I think Longmuir can manage SPS to be the footballer we know he can be.
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Dockermus Coniglio for Cerra? 2 years 8 months ago #70

Dockermus
It may not be Carlton. Cerra is a 21 year old who some commentators seem to think has top level abilities. Now he’s made the announcement that he wants to return to Victoria, there’s going to be other Melbourne based clubs taking interest. A rival bid should help improve his value a little bit. Besides, there’s still a chance Ross Lyon will be Carlton’s coach next season. Hasn’t Cerra said he wouldn’t want to play for him again?
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