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TOPIC: Quasi Rant.

freo00 Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #43

freo00
Just give the players the drugs they want .

That is all the support some toast players needed , Simple .
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fourthump Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #44

fourthump
This is the Adam Simpson of the North Melbourne Chicken S@X Video circa 2009, right?

I remember he was embarrassed for his wife and kids at the time.
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Walter the baker Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #45

Walter the baker
And WCE continue to highlight their unabashed self interest from their privileged tower of entitlement at a time when clubs are struggling under COVID related pressures. (Kudos to Geelong and Adelaide for not jumping into the cess pit)


www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/big-five-opp...20210727-p58dgq.html
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shane Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #46

shane
Did you post this in the wrong spot?
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Quasimodo Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #47

Quasimodo
Good on Brad Collard calling out the WAFC and Rio Tinto.

Transparency in s important. Well done Brad.
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blockerhall Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #48

blockerhall
Late to this conversation due to work but just want to add a bit of perspective. I went to Northam Senior High School. My sons ( I have two) went to Hale from year 7, one is still there. When I went to Uni I thought Hale was a bit of a meathead factory based on some of my peers. It took a bit to convince me to send my boys there. That decision was finally based on what suited my boys personalities and abilities. And I rail against bulls#$% like taking a potshot because Porter went there is lazy work at a slow moving target like Hale that people love to knock down. Is it worth the money? No. Is it better than the alternative? Yes.

My oldest has left Hale, plays Amateur colts at a club where some alumni continue on to, admittedly where tats are noticeably not present, as highlighted by my (visiting from the East) brother-in-law, whom is a headmaster and comes from a sports background. My son's footballing experience at Hale was a mixed bag, he was overlooked for higher grades mainly due to a preference for flashy run around the tackler types, whom in my opinion spent the footy like millionaires (i.e. butcher the footy many many times). That is a programme effectively headed by ex-Docker Jason Norrish. But with some fatherly pride I can say my oldest sacrifices so much of his game to do the team thing and play his role in defence (when he would rather be more creative forward), and part of that is his upbringing, and part is his footballing experience. He also plays differently to myself and my brother, whom were different footballers to each other. In short he would be a coaches dream.

My brother coaches junior football at Bassendean, and notices the difference in respect and role responsibility between the areas at a first pass. He was also an AFL scout, and sadly tells the amount of times he put Ballantyne forward to his club each year before Freo finally pulled the trigger. He rarely reviewed PSA football then, always colts and above.

The PSA profile here has grown recently, and there is little doubt that significantly more talent is finding its way to private schools through various means, although ostensibly sporting scholarships are not 'offered'. I think there is a fair bit of creep in this area, and will continue to be, because talent identification programmes are improving, particularly in regional areas.

Personally, I think you still run into issues within the PSA , where entitled, risk-taking, no hand-brake personalities can thrive, AKA the local examples discussed above. Likewise model footballers can always find a way out of less fortunate circumstances. Pandering to stereotypes does no-one any favours, and conveys poor messaging for everyone and particularly the games direction.

But on the whole, draft selections are heading in a very risk-averse direction from what I see, and that will manifest in an over-respresentation of players from certain competitions. Not defending Simpson, but that is where he was headed.
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shane Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #49

shane
I think the problem with meatheads and Hale is the sort of people who send their kids to Hale are often meatheads. And they raise meatheads so you get meatheads from Hale.

That doesn't mean that everyone who goes there is a meathead or that the school produces meatheads, it's just that it is where the meatheads choose to send their kids to school.

It's not about the school or about the parents, it's about the character of the individual.


But to your anecdotal point that your brother reckons there is a difference in respect. He could well say the same about a range of different demographics for many reasons. For most of history it would have been accepted wisdom that white kids were better behaved than black kids, and it probably still is thought true by many now. When you're giving out these positions, to favour one individual over another because of a demographic rather than on individual merit is both morally wrong and stupid.
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hypen Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #50

hypen
Youve missed the point, Blockerhall. Wasnt taking a potshot at Hale. Was taking a potshot at the presumption that Hale school students are in some way less of a risk than any other school. I'm sure your lads are great kids. It aint the school though. If people spoke negatively about the character of people from PSA schools, I'd use an inverse example.*

*Maybe.**

** But probably not.
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Raglan Matt Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #51

Raglan Matt
It all gets back to "if you pick the best footy player, you have a chance of getting results, if you pick them on other criteria, you have a chance of getting burnt" )as we have found out through a large part of the years 2012-2019(
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pollyanna Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #52

pollyanna
One of the toughest gigs in the world today is being a father - just stating the obvious. I've got two sons (and two daughters) so I'm fully empathetic with Blocker's thoughts about the pressures of giving the right advice at the appropriate stage in a young bloke's life. Good on him for sharing those thoughts here.

As an aside - I've got a ripper of a Christian Porter/Andrew Krakouer story that I've never told before. I know this is Quasimodo's open rant thread, but I'll tap it out on the keyboard before the end of the season.
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shane Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #53

shane
Just getting in front of this early...a story which he strenuously denies.
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blockerhall Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #54

blockerhall
I don't think I missed the point at all. Ending a post 'Christian Porter went to Hale.' is pretty unequivocal. Just as much bias there as Simpson. I'm no Hale rah rah boy, far from it. In fact I am very objective about it. But it seems to be the pin up boy for the sins of the mean ole' PSA for some unknown reason. And for the avoidance of doubt, the screaming fowl suck, and I can't wait to smash them and Simpson in the next derby, and for the rest of my lifetime.

Straddo gets it. He is on the right wavelength. In the mangled delivery Simpson offered there was insight into how these strange beasts AFL football clubs run. It's not that pretty, and certainly not fair. And I think that is all you can expect. I do think that having your son drafted to the Eagles now is a vastly different proposition to 15-20 years ago.

Shane is right, meatheads in, meatheads out- Inverarity apparently reversed some cultural issues at the school when he was headmaster and it needed it. I agree some private school parents seem to be the most hands off of all, and that doesn't necessarily translate to great outcomes in young adults. But in my experience those with sporting prodigies are right in there, some living vicarioisly, and that isnt very pretty either. My note about my brother states the comparison at first pass, it wasn't meant for that level of dissection, and I may have misconstrued what he has said in terms of it being about my son rather than the team, but I took it for the latter.

Carry on everyone, as you were. And cheers crazy cat lady.
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Wharfie Time Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #55

Wharfie Time
I notice some posters who enthusiastically joined in the "I was pleasantly surprised when arriving in Armadale" topics are being a trifle sanctimonious about Simpson's statements.

I've had a few friends get in my ear about how dreadful and elitist and factually wrong his statements were. To a woman, they are all long term monogamous western suburbs private school enabling parents. I'm too scared to point this out to them in case I offend their wokeness and get kicked out of the book club.
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hypen Quasi Rant. 2 years 8 months ago #56

hypen
He didn't mangle anything. He was concise and honest, in fact his bias runs so deep a reasonably smart bloke couldn't initially see how bad it sounded. I used a poor character who attended a PSA school to highlight Simpson's folly.

No one is whipping Hale, though I hear that behind closed........
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