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TOPIC: MRO

Morgan MRO 3 months 2 days ago #43

Morgan
Mackay recklessly approached the contest, but it’s not widely accepted – and certainly not universally accepted - that Mackay ‘bumped’ him or that his intention was to hurt his opponent.

I thought Jake Niall’s piece a couple of days ago summed up the issue pretty well.
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shane MRO 3 months 2 days ago #44

shane
His feet are in the air, he's arm is tucked in, and he hits him side on. Whatever it started as, it was a bump at the moment Clark's jaw bone snapped.

It was cowardice by the tribunal. They didn't want the have the cries of - changing the fabric of the game - thrown at them.
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hypen MRO 3 months 2 days ago #45

hypen
Its not accepted only cause people are getting caught up with, "was he contesting the ball as well". And if he was doing that then he wasn't bumping...cause he was doing something else....

Lets say he was contesting the ball and listening to a Chris Rea Xmas album AT THE TIME of bumping into him and breaking his jaw.
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Morgan MRO 3 months 2 days ago #46

Morgan
The evidence given was that Mackay’s arm was limp and outstretched for the ball when the collision occurred (factually true), and that he was only 0.04 seconds later than his opponent in getting hands on the ball (also, maybe, factually true). Generally if you are bumping you don’t leave your arm our there hanging in the breeze before a collision (it’s a good way to get it broken), you tuck it in.

Should there be a distinction between a bump and recklessly clattering into your opponent? I’d say no, but the rules and the historical guidance suggests there is a difference. Remember the phrase we always hear: if you elect to bump you have a duty of care to your opponent and will be held accountable for the injury they receive.

The AFL is moving towards an all-encompassing duty of care, outside of any election to bump. Now the guidance will be if you recklessly approach the contest you have a duty of care to your opponent and will be held accountable for the injury they receive.

It’s the right step, but as Niall points out, it’s asking a lot of the tribunal to change the interpretation on the fly. The AFL should be making this case, and I expect they will (either now, or before next season).
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shane MRO 3 months 2 days ago #47

shane
It's not a cartoon where you take a run up in a bumping position. The moment he jumped in the air at his opponent, he had elected to bump and his intention was no longer to contest the ball.

He chose to ignore that he had a responsibility to ensure the safety of his colleague.
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Morgan MRO 3 months 2 days ago #48

Morgan
Mackay's evidence - supported by a bio-mechanics professor who gave evidence - was that "Mackay becomes airborne as a consequence of the collision" not before.
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hypen MRO 3 months 2 days ago #49

hypen
at the time of the clattering collision?
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shane MRO 3 months 2 days ago #50

shane
I would put it to him that he was being strict with his definition of airborne to make the case they wanted him to make. He may technically still have a toe on the ground.

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hypen MRO 3 months 2 days ago #51

hypen
also its hard to tackle when your feet arent planted,
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Blue1red1 MRO 3 months 2 days ago #52

Blue1red1
Mackay made a decision and it had a bad outcome. Must be really hard as a footballer in a dynamic environment to get every decision right. If there was no head contact we wouldn't be having the conversation.

Reminds me of everytime I go through an orange light in the car, that final decision is made in a very short time zone trying to weigh up everything around me.

I wonder how long it is before the conversation ends up with - you "elected" to do "this action" which has resulted in an injury to the opponent that will prevent them playing for "TBC" weeks. Therefore, you will be suspended for "TBC" weeks until the opponent is able to play again.
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pollyanna MRO 3 months 2 days ago #53

pollyanna
He came in at an oblique angle at full speed - try that entering traffic in your car and claim innocence.
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hypen MRO 3 months 2 days ago #54

hypen
And we all know you cant see through oblique angles!
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Blue1red1 MRO 3 months 2 days ago #55

Blue1red1
Polly we call that drifting now. Your ute might need a bag of cement over each of the wheel arches before you attmpt this!

I remember Gran Saying" It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye" . Now I see she was visionary an would be saying these days " Remember the head is sacrosanct"
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Blue1red1 MRO 3 months 2 days ago #56

Blue1red1
"And we all know you cant see through oblique angles!"

I believe Tabs is writing a theorem to test this with his mates
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