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Morgan Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #29

It’s not the first time either.

Best guess is when someone is responding to a post so long they can’t see the name at the top, they just assume it’s one of mine.
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Corporal Agarn Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #30

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I'm not like some here who think we get ripped off by the umps, or find some fault every week, but overall that was a poor umpiring display yesterday.
The old saying about the best umpires are the ones you don't notice, is true.
I also find it terribly annoying when the umpire review panel consistently back up poor decisions even though the players, coaches and supporters know they were wrong.
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Raglan Matt Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #31

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Been affecyted by Hypen Stockholm Syndrome. Sorry Morgan, my sincere apologies.
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cletus Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #32

From The Outer, I umpire country footy games,( which gives me no more qualification than anyone else on this matter), and I hear what you say, and all that you intimate.

Especially the fact that 1) umpires are humans, and 2) umpires make mistakes.

I'm sure Dean Margetts - or any umpire - is a very decent human being.....and yep, like all umpires they are 'doing a job'.

Big difference here is, that, he is a professional full time umpire, and apparently, one of the best in the country, thereby allowing him to be at this country's 'elite' footy level every week.

Irrespective of all the umpire vs crowd, umpire vs club supporters sentimentality in a this - (a 'culture' that has been there for 'eons')- , there is no way of hiding the fact , that, glaring mistakes were made yesterday by Dean, and yes, the other 2.

I'm sure Dean - good fellow that he is - would sit down and tell you, that, " yes, i made some 'howlers' yesterday, and i had a bad day.

"There is no other way to account for what was seen, other than 'bias'.

The thing is, when, mistakes and bad days are becoming more prevalent - and i think they are in his case - well..., irrespective of history, experience and personality, this has to be called to account.

And I'd be interested to hear Deans explanations of some of his calls yesterday. If it doesn't involve the words 'yes, that was my mistake', well..., I'd question accountability from above , but most importantly, accountability by self.

Yes, there is a bit of Docker Supporter vitriole towards Dean. Covid has ensured we have him more often than not. But 'where there is smoke there is fire', and in Dean's case there is plenty of smoke.

It is not just "Dean Bashing". There are issues there.
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Morgan Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #33

FTO, good on you for sticking up for a mate.

I met a bunch of AFL umpires at a wedding a few years back (I don’t think I spoke with Dean, but I’m pretty sure he was there). They were all good value and has really interesting things to say about the challenges of umpiring. I had less interesting things to say about their treatment of Hayden Ballantyne. I did apologise for all the horrible things I yelled at them (but presumably they never heard) over the years and they all laughed it off.

I think for certain umpires once they cross a certain threshold of notoriety - deserved or otherwise - then it becomes very hard to change the perception; there’s just too many opportunities in a game for bad decisions to confirm fans’ suspicions; and as others have said because fans are hopelessly biased they don’t focus on the ones that go the other way.

Dean may be a better umpire than most, but that’s not how it feels. We’ve just had him too many times over the journey, and starting a game with the home fans agitated before a ball has been bounced seems like it’s doing everyone a disservice. I feel the same way about Dalgleish, but he just hasn’t been at it as long as Dean.

I think it’s a really tough gig, and the rules make it really hard. It has to be the most challenging sport to officiate. My view is if people rant and rave at the game, or on a foot my site, it’s probably part of the game.

If I saw him at a pub I’d probably buy him a beer, because I appreciate the work he puts in. But there’s a 100% chance I called him dickhead on Saturday, and 100% chance I’ll do it again.
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Walter the baker vs Gold Coast 3 months 1 week ago #34

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Hypen: in response to you question “Can I ask what part of this thread contains "personal abuse"?”, we could argue semantics til the cows come home, but there have been multiple occasions in recent times in which umpires have been accused of deliberate bias (usually against Freo). This is clearly questioning their personal integrity, which I’d label as abuse (and that’s without going into labels such as “white maggots”). But it’s subjective and some appear to see that as perfectly acceptable.
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Awake Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #35

Putting on my psychologist’s hat, I believe he is demonstrating all the signs of cognitive bias. We all have biases, usually arising from our past history, and these are usually have little bearing on whether we are good or bad people. As other posters have already pointed out.
A cognitive bias is a repeated pattern of thinking that can lead to inaccurate or unreasonable conclusions. Sound familiar?
The good thing about such biases, and this explains why every umpire has them, is that they help people make quicker decisions. Unfortunately if you are not aware of your bias then decisions aren’t always accurate. I think we saw this in action yesterday.
Factors like limits on the brain’s ability to process information, particularly in a fast moving situation, emotional input (players expressing opinions), social pressures (home crowd noise) can all lead to people implementing their cognitive bias. I believe this is what’s happening.
The fix is quite easy – just become aware of the bias, practice in the situation and reflect on the results with input from objective outsiders like dockerlanders.
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shane Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #36

Walter got caught. Tried the fend off. Didn't stick.

Holding the ball.
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Walter the baker Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #37

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I’m not sure what part of the explanation is particularly controversial Shane. Is that an example of your cognitive bias?
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shane Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #38

(It was the argue semantics bit)
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jezzaargh Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #39

Awake - tell us more about this psychologist's hat... does it fit better than the Freo member's hat?
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pollyanna Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #40

Yesterday I called out to everyone within earshot "Watch Margetts, he's going to give a free any second". You could tell - he was itching to blow his whistle and was just waiting for Gold Toast to get into position for a solid shot on goal. He blew it and a free shot at goal was the result - the idiot missed (Holman I think it was). You could see it coming from a mile off - he didn't like the way it was going and wanted to change it.

If umpiring is so noble, such an objective profession, no one - Freo supporter or otherwise - would be able to read them so easily.

So...nah, I don't buy it in the slightest - he really hates us, has for years and the game would be better without him. My opinion.
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hypen Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #41

Context, is everything. Its the football. I dont sit on the CAT bus going up Wellington Street screaming "Balllllll" and throwing a lung up. That would be highly intimidating, anti social behaviour. We think there's an umpire who does us in every time he officiates. C'mon, its football.

Let's agree that Dean Margettes is a great person and not very good at umpiring.

And I just realised my math and grammar are both sub standard. Lucky I'm really really good looking.
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darthmarto Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #42

It's bothered me since it first became a thing that umpires became "known" as individuals.

Razor Ray and all that nonsense ... it really shouldn't be a thing, if they were doing their job correctly and without obvious mistakes, they would simply fade into the background and part of the anonymous theatre of footy. Objective arbiters of the game.

That we can name name half a dozen or so and none in any sort of glowing light suggests fairly strongly that there is a problem.
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