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fradonjan Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #15

The following week, former AFL umpires boss Peter Schwab led calls by some high-profile figures in the game for the league to look into free-kick tallies in Perth.

The public uproar peaked after the West Coast-Essendon clash in round 14, when the Bombers won by 28 points but lost the free-kick count 33-17.

WA whistleblowers Nathan Williamson, Jeff Dalgleish and Dean Margetts officiated in that match alongside Victoria’s Craig Fleer under a trial of the four-umpire system.

Current AFL umpires coach Hayden Kennedy later confirmed the league would investigate the trends behind the persistent pattern of West Coast’s free-kick dominance in Perth, which statistics showed had run over several seasons.

The AFL umpiring department has not released its findings publicly and the league declined to comment when contacted by The West Australian yesterday.

However, not one WA field umpire has officiated in any of West Coast’s five matches, in Perth or interstate, since the controversy in round 14.

More than one third of field umpires (eight of 22) in seven Eagles home matches before round 15 were from WA.
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The_Yeti Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #16

I love the classic understatement "which statistics showed had run over several seasons".

I assume that several now means almost a decade and a half.

Edit: Took me a while to find but this is chart that listed the differential in free kicks as of 2018. Note this is the differential, not the total number of free kicks

Free Kicks
Egurls Suck!
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purple kit Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #17

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“ Spare a thought for Sydney (-516), who sit last in the plus/minus differential, followed by Hawthorn (-348) and Fremantle (-308).”
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Raglan Matt Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #18

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Yeti, that table probably does more to show the difference in the way Freo and the eagles are umpired than any amount of opinionating on footy forums. And most of the differential against to Freo would come from Leigh Fisher & the WA umpires. I rest my case.
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jas Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #19

Only semi-related, but was watching the Sydney v Hawthorn game, and Hawthorn were getting the rub of the umpire green. When Papley spat it at Razor for a non-free kick, and then got one against him for abuse, it looked a lot like, from then on, Razor quite deliberately didn't pay frees to Sydney, and took great delight in paying frees against. Now obviously our good friend Ray is a demonstrative character by nature, but it certainly looked like it was done with intent.
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Walter the baker Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #20

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From the Outer: Good on you for expressing a different opinion. This is meant to be a discussion forum and your views should carry some weight.
From my perspective, I think we copped some terrible decisions yesterday, but I draw the line at the personal abuse that is aimed at the umpires. I also think we often fail to see the soft frees we get and the harsh decisions that the other team receive.
I do believe that the ‘noise of affirmation’ is a significant issue, which draws umps attention to potential free kicks, and is a major factor in the WCE stats. However, we also need to be careful with stats. 900 addition free kicks against opponents over 15 years is certainly an outlier when compared to all other teams, but it equates to about 60 p.a. or less than 3 per game. Take WCE out (wouldn’t that be nice) and the next team is getting less than 1.5 extra frees per game. Nice to have but not game breaking impacts when you think that each player probably makes more clangers per game.
I’m not dismissing that there were some very weird decisions that are worth mentioning yesterday (e.g. a couple of holding the ball calls seemed to have occurred after our players had zero time to get rid of the pill), however, I think we sometimes concentrate disproportionately on umpires decisions when they have minimal impact on the result, and when bigger issues should be our focus (our poor second quarter, our great second half, Pearce, Cerra, NGA players etc etc).
Feel free to highlight howlers by the umps or games that are decided by numerous bad decisions (which was not the case yesterday) but keep some perspective and lay off the personal stuff, they have the hardest jobs on the park.
And finally, if you think it’s fair to have open field days on umps, just remember that the same attitude is evident from parents and kids every weekend at underage games across the country and we wonder why we can’t get anyone to take up umpiring.

Please read the entire post and not get bogged down in one sentence before you pick it apart.
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Raglan Matt Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #21

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But, Morgan, WTB, west coast are part of it, and the difference between Freo's stats and eagles stats shows a 1200 free kick differential. It also shows that noise of affirmation is not the factor that some claim.
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Corporal Agarn Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #22

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Anyone see the free kick paid to Thilthorpe on the goal line last night with a few minutes to go? Without that free kick that never was St K would have held on.
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Eggy Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #23

Worrying about umpiring and decisions made or not made will lead you down a very dark path.

In the end if your team plays well the games result will be beyond any individual umpiring decision.
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Awake Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #24

I would be more comfortable knowing that the umpire in question was not training younger umpires. Until his own game is straightened out a little.
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Corporal Agarn Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #25

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Generally Eggy, but then that game against Carlton last year comes to mind or the Brisbane v Geelong game earlier this year.
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hypen Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #26

Can I ask what part of this thread contains "personal abuse"?

Margettes is influenced by crowd noise, its why he has been banned from West Coast games in normal circumstances.

And he falls for player acting. Every person who knows Dean Margettes speaks highly of him. Very highly.

I was a terrible accountant. Scatter brain. Just was. Hopefully like Dean, I'm an ok bloke. It doesn't change the fact you wouldn't want me knocking out your management accounts.
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Raglan Matt Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #27

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Hypen, you can have a go at my accounts, but more to the point of illustrating your point, I don't want you spellchecking my next novel.
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shane Welcome Back Plus Get Lost 3 months 1 week ago #28

I'm still trying to work out why Raglan Matt replied to Morgan who didn't even post.

Sometimes people hallucinate messages.
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