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shane Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #155

shane
If you haven't won Brownlow votes in your first 7 games then you're no good. It's just a fact.
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Raglan Matt Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #156

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Ok, I'll forget him, but I'm not forgetful enough that I wont say "I told yous fellas."
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Raglan Matt Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #157

Raglan Matt
Shane, who holds the record for the most games before his first Brownlow vote?
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shane Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #158

shane
I'm not sure but the record is 9. Everyone else was axed before then.
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Raglan Matt Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #159

Raglan Matt
Ross Henshaw (born 13 August 1952) is a former Australian rules footballer who played for North Melbourne in the VFL.

Henshaw was a tough defender and played in either the back pocket or half back flank for North Melbourne during the 70s and into the early 80s. A attacking defender who teamed with David Dench, Frank Gumbleton, Ken Montgomery, Denis Pagan, Gary Farrant and Gary Cowton, to be part of one of the best defensive line ups for its era.

Henshaw holds a unique VFL/AFL record; he has played the most games of any player without polling a single vote in the Brownlow Medal.

North Melbourne premiership player 1975, 1977

Team(s) North Melbourne (1971-83)
167 games, 11 goals
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Raglan Matt Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #160

Raglan Matt
Maybe we could give Liam a few more games.
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rogerrocks Freo v Essendon 2 years 11 months ago #161

rogerrocks
I'm with you RM, Liam Henry will come good. Or we could trade him and watch him blossom at another club, joining an ever-growing list of ex-Freo players.
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Down on down Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #162

Down on down
RM & RR. So you want to play players who have no impact on games at the expense of actually winning a game?
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rogerrocks Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #163

rogerrocks
Fair call DoD, but I think he's worth persisting with. I don't have a problem if the coaches send him back to the WAFL with instructions on how to improve. I'm just sick of watching quality ex-Freo players strut their stuff elsewhere.
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Bizkit Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #164

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You may as well compare Henry to Sean Darcy if you want to compare different types of players. Pickett is a crumbing small forward with pace while Henry is a hard working lead up half forward who pushes up the ground with silky skills. They are very different players.

If you're expecting Henry to be Jeff Farmer MKII, you're just wrong. Henry has great hands overhead and on the ground, fantastic timing on the lead, a great ability to find space and some of the most precise foot skills in the competition. He's coming off a serious knee injury that had him out of the game for 12mths and is now playing against far bigger bodies. He isn't going to have a huge impact immediately.

His skills and awareness are a shining light when he's near the footy and we need to work him free more often in that area between the centre circle and 50m line. His delivery forward will result in a far better scoring efficiency. He's just not that far developed yet both physically and fitness wise. investing games in him now is well worth it though, his output is similar to a lot of our small forwards with a huge upside. He's improved a lot in each game he's played and that trajectory will continue this season as he gets more football in.

Also, you can't play Darcy, Lobb and Meek in the same side. The first two are far ahead of the latter. Treacy helped provide another target and some good pressure despite it not showing on the stats sheet. I'd be happy for him to get more games up forward to help change our structure.
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Morgan Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #165

Morgan
It seems like there are two conversations about Henry: will he be good, and is he good now?

My comments about Henry were about why Freo struggle to score. I mentioned him fifth, and specifically said he’s struggled getting continuity and it’s too early to make a judgement; but part of the reason we can’t score (ie, the fifth part) is that he’s not very good now but we’re playing him anyway.

If you’re opening the door to comparisons, he’s currently sandwiched between Treacy and Meek in the bottom three for possessions per game, and I’ve said I don’t think they have played very well either. He’s playing worse than Crowden, whose game has taken on the invisibility previously reserved only for his neck.

If you look at the 2019 draft bracket, Serong is a ripper and Young looked great in small glimpses. I don’t know much about Flanders at GC17, but Tom Green and Will Day are also contributing (in addition to Pickett who I mentioned) in the draft spots immediately after him.

No-one is saying he’s not going to be good, and no matter how bad he’s playing I would be playing him every game. If he’s got the tank for it (which is a big ‘if’ given his interrupted pre-seasons) I’d give him more time up the field and play Schulz closer to goal. I think that hurts the team in the short–term, but it is probably where I see each of them landing in the next couple of years.

I agree on Darcy, Lobb and Meek. Treacy I’m agnostic about. There doesn’t seem any harm in giving him another crack, but it really feels like we’re throwing darts at a dartboard in the forward line.
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thecheg Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #166

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Reminds me a bit of the debate over Jayden Pitt years back. We gave him too many games for a slight body to withstand when he was a teenager imo. But can’t believe some are already writing off Henry who looks to me like one of the most skilful players we have had.
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Bizkit Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #167

Bizkit
Using stats to rate Henry's progress is a fallacy and not an accurate representation of his ability or progress. He plays a role that does not result in large stats or allow him to be near the footy for most of the game. Even then, I don't see too many teammates opting to kick it Henry over a Sonny or a marking target

He's been the sub this season and has averaged a little over 50% time on ground so far. Add to that, he's only played in 4 losses where the ball hasn't really been forward much and you can see his stats are going to be very skewed.

Looking at what he does do when the ball is around him, you can see the quality and ability he has. He's not big enough to have the impact he wants but there were a few of occasions on the weekend where he tried to step through and around opponents but was caught due to his smaller frame. He still managed to get the footy away to a teammate but it will take a year or two before he's making defenders look silly as he walks through them.

For mine, he's shown enough with the ball to prove he belongs at AFL level and with none of the other forwards putting up much competition, I'd be shoveling as many games as I could into Henry. Get him used to the big time and build that confidence. The fumbles he had in his first couple of games are disappearing and being replaced by smooth pickups and good turns. Let him keep evolving with the rest of the forwards.
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Raglan Matt Freo v Essendon 2 years 10 months ago #168

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DoD, what they ^ said.
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