TOPIC: Nat Fyfe

Morgan Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #57

Morgan
Do you guys take the Waldorf and Statler routine on the road, or just save it for here?
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moptop Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #58

moptop
Damn Morgan with his "facts" and "statistics"...
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shane Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #59

shane
Here's the thing, though. It's complete crap that grand finals indicate the talent of the player.

2013... Hayden Ballantyne keeps his feet, kicks 4 goals and Fremantle win the Premiership. Pavlich plays the exact same game but becomes a better footballer because he's a premiership captain.

You'd have to be an idiot or someone arguing in bad faith to make that point.
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Morgan Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #60

Morgan
No-one is making that argument – it’s a complete strawman.

Fyfe and Dusty are the best and second best players in the competition in some order and with little daylight between them. Fyfe has an extra Brownlow, but Dusty has more total Brownlow votes. Dusty has made more AA teams, but Fyfe more B&Fs. Statistically they can’t be split.

The only way they can’t be compared is ‘big game’ performance because they haven’t had the same opportunity to play in big games. But you can’t do any better than Dusty – in three GFs he’s won three Norm Smiths. Could Fyfe had done the same? It’s no certainty, so it gives Dusty the slightest of edges on the best player equivalent of the Duckworth Lewis system.

If they were playing a game for my life, and my team was down 3 points with a minute left, I’d prefer to have the ball in Dusty’s hand than Fyfe’s. There’s no right or wrong answer, it’s basically picking nits.

Bad faith. Jeez, why does everything need to be a pitched battle?
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shane Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #61

shane
I would have gone with "well I'm certainly not arguing in bad faith."
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hypen Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #62

hypen
Morgan, what about if the ball was contested and not yet in the hands?
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zorro Nat Fyfe 2 months 1 week ago #63

zorro
Exactly my point, hypen. Let’s face it, if Dusty (like Cyril) gets the pill just about anywhere forward of centre, put down your glasses. Can’t say the same about Fyfey.
However, if the 18 Dustys are playing 18 Fyfes, that won’t happen very often.
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Morgan Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #64

Morgan
Hypen, I’d definitely take Fyfe if what was needed was a centre clearance.

But Dusty has kicked 10 goals in three Grand Finals, for example. I think that ability to finish is probably more valuable.
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Noddy Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #65

Noddy
All around the ground Fyfe is an exceptional player, and he wins the ball that allows others to kick goals while kicking some himself. A wonderful player to watch.
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Walter the baker Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #66

Walter the baker
I think everyone’s making good points and they aren’t mutually exclusive. Each player has different strengths which makes it impossible to determine who is better. Fyfe gets the tougher contested ball possessions but Dusty probably does more with it and often bites off a more difficult kick. Dusty and Fyfe in the same team - now that would be worth the price off admission.
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shane Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #67

shane
A team of Ray Sorrells would beat a team of Dustin Martins.
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moptop Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #68

moptop
On a purely objective basis, if you're counting major gongs and ribbons, then Dusty probably get the choccies in this contest.

I'd still rather have Nat Fyfe in my team. Come to think of it, I'd rather have just Nat Fyfe's terrible hair than Dustin Martin.
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shane Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #69

shane
Fyfe leads Martin 2-1 when they have competed for the same ribbon
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Morgan Nat Fyfe 2 months 6 days ago #70

Morgan
Fyfe also averages more Brownlow votes per game than Dusty.
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