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Morgan Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #57

Morgan
I get that it’s probably something like that Freo66 and B1R1; but if that’s what you think happened how can you arrive at the view that anything short of his career being over is soft?

Shane, it just seems strange to me that as the person who doesn’t want to end someone’s career for making a dumb mistake (or cheating incredibly stupidly) I'm the one accused of taking footy too seriously. Rioli had weed and Gatorade in his sample for Clive's sake. He's not Lance Armstrong.
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hypen Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #58

hypen
Even worse is how long they have to wait. Their lives in limbo. The key for me is the AFL don't need WADA. How long did the Essendon saga go on for? WADA.

He's more Cheech Martin than LanceArmstrong.
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The_Yeti Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #59

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Yeah, naaah, that's crap, Morgan.

He failed a gameday drug test for which the default penalty is four years.

He interfered with an anti-doping sample on two occasions for which the default penalty is four years. It's very hard not see two similar acts of cheating to be anything other than aggravating circumstances for which he could have gotten more than four years.

You, as usual, concentrate on the minutia and ignore the real issue. Even without your opinion that cannabis is not performance enhancing, and the anti-doping doctors do not agree with you, it is a clearly specified rule that failing a gameday drug test is a four year ban.

Plus, we do not know why he interfered on two occasions with the sample. Was he trying to hide something other than cannabis? Thats why, it is clearly stated that is the same as a failed test and guess what, four years. The Chinese drug cheat Sun got 8 years at CAS for doing it once, not twice.

As for the moaning about ending his career, well that was HIS choice. He knew the rules and decided to act in this manner KNOWING the consequences. If you don't want to ruin your career in professional sport, don't bloody cheat. There are no grounds for Rioli avoiding the known consequences for his actions.
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hypen Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #60

hypen
I admire your sense of justice and commitment to seeing stuff clearly no matter who or what the circumstance. But it does go out the window a little when it comes to this mob.

Yeti, if it's four years, then it's four years. Why does that take 18 months.
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The_Yeti Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #61

The_Yeti
Disagree, hypen.

THe AFL don't like WADA but they do need them. No compliance with the WADA regime and AFL loses it's 'sports' and reverts to entertainment. This means, no government support and they have to start paying tax on their income.

Plus the small matter of no longer being eligible to be the peak body for football in Australia.

No WADA, no AFL any more and they know this very well. The government has a gun to the AFL's head over this, which is why the AFL fudges around the edges rather than refusing to comply.
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The_Yeti Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #62

The_Yeti
hypen, Take that up with the AFL.

The evidence was put to them very quickly but it took the AFL 18 months to act on it.

My guess is it's a case of letting things die down to sneak in a contrived result but whatever, the AFL is the guilty party here.
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Dockermus Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #63

Dockermus
Nah. Can’t get past blaming Nisbett and the whole Egirls organisation.
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Walter the baker Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #64

Walter the baker
Not for the first time, I’m confused.
When it all gets boiled down he’s been kicked out of the comp for two years for smoking weed. No performance enhancing substance involved (unless he needs to slow down to play better footy). I’m not sure if he was paid during his absence but he was still contracted on the Eagles list. If he was still paid then this is would appear to be a light penalty. If he wasn’t then it seems like a reasonable penalty given the ‘soft’ nature of the drug (the police would have probably given him a warning if they caught him).
I appreciate that the above is very simplistic but I don’t know all the facts and it seems like a lot of people who also don’t know all the facts are making very harsh judgements one way or the other.
He broke the rules, he copped a pretty significant penalty (which was within the scope of allowed penalties albeit that it could have been worse) and now he can hopefully get back to footy and save a bit of dough before he retires. I’m more concerned as to why it’s taken 18 months to get to this outcome. Someone has to be playing silly buggers (and I assume that the lawyers involved are laughing all the way to the bank!)

*Edit: the above comments didn’t take into account the attempts to tamper with the test. I appreciate that the tampering could be justification for a higher penalty. It would be interesting to hear how the penalty was determined and how much it was due to the weed vs the tampering.
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shane Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #65

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The first thing they used to teach them when they went to the Eagles was to run away from your car if you've been drink driving, because you can't get tested if you're swimming up the swan river and people will assume the best of you.

The second thing they'll teach them now is to tamper with the urine sample. And doing it twice makes the story more convincing.
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pollyanna Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #66

pollyanna
It must be heartbreaking that the Other Mob don't have another Aboriginal bloke to boo out of the game.
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Raglan Matt Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #67

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Broadcaster Kim Hagdorn, one of the best-connected AFL journalists in the country, broke the news of Rioli’s return to AFL action this season on Perth sports radio station 91.3 Sports FM on Thursday morning.
The above statement calls into question the credibility of the article referred to by Dockermus, notwithstanding that fact, nowhere does it say Rioli got 2 years for testing positive to cannabis.

WEST Coast premiership forward Willie Rioli has received a backdated two-year ban for tampering with a urine sample and will be able to play in 2021, ending 18 months of uncertainty for the talented Eagle.

Taken from this article;

What weed???

so, he didn't get 2 years for a non performance enhancing drug, he got 2 years for being a PED cheat. Which is half of what the minimum penalty should be.
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expat Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #68

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Ahhh, it will probably take Willie another 18 months or so to get his skin fold back to AFL standards.
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rogerrocks Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #69

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I reckon 2 years seems reasonable. I think that is pretty much the standard ban for cyclists who test positive. But there are a lot of hanging judges out there.

But I too did not realise that he substituted on two separate occasions.
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Raglan Matt Rioli suspension 3 years 1 month ago #70

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RR, the standard ban for cyclists is the reason for cycling's image problem when it comes to cheating in cycling.
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