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TOPIC: Hogan going to GWS

Raglan Matt Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #71

Raglan Matt
I'm a few thousand miles from Perth, but have heard the whispers around Hogan. Most of those caning the club over Hogans treatment were not supporting Simpson when he got the flick. As for using Dustin Martin as an example of sticking by a player, there is a lot more to be told in that story once his career is over. Richmond won't come out of that smelling of roses.
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Corporal Agarn Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #72

Corporal Agarn
Good point PK. How poor was that!
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Blue1red1 Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #73

Blue1red1
CA, we did alright with Michael Walters just to balance the ledger, pretty sure we were patient with Harley B as well, just went about it the wrong way.

Just maybe this is a start of a No DH policy that JL has stamped.

I'm disappointed like everyone, but he just was not clicking with the group and sometimes you have to acknowledge that and move on. I thought we would have played him next year, but Bell has said they already had his ticket punched mid year. This gives me some sort of hope they are actually planning and preparing the list given they sorted a lot of stuff out mid season. I'd wait and see how we trade and play next year before sinking the boat and swimming for shore with the rats.
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Morgan Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #74

Morgan
Micallef didn’t arrive until the end of 2018. Chris Bond was moved on and Brad Lloyd allowed to leave in the month leading up to the 2018 trade period. Bond was installed, with very little experience, shortly thereafter.

It was either Bell’s show to run, or he allowed himself to be installed as Rosich’s puppet. Maybe Lyon - for all his talk of cobblers – had a say. He seemed like a coach who would err towards latitude for star-calibre players at the expense of setting a rigid rule for all (which at least to some degree I have sympathy for).

But no matter the inputs, Bond has to own that trade.

And to be fair, I honestly thought it was a good trade, and I think most on here did too. Sometimes you take a big swing and you miss. Jesse could have handled himself a lot better, but I’ve always taken the mental health issues on face value, because he’s been through a lot (Dad’s death, testicular cancer, serious injuries and this year COVID hubs) leading to in Bond’s poor choice of words ‘clinical anxiety’.

Culture is an interesting thing. I get that you want to set standards (especially with a young squad), and I get (but don’t always agree) with the one rule for everyone thing; but I also think culture can also be about understanding and teaching young people about individual circumstances.

Maybe Jesse burned too many bridges. I don’t know. But games of footy are won by getting the most talent on the park, and getting them to play at their best. It’s not (only) about assembling the easiest players to coach.

I reckon we’ve got enough young talent to be good, but we’ve lost a couple of players who can put the ball through the sticks, which means Bond and Longmuir will need to address the hole they’ve helped create.
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Raglan Matt Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #75

Raglan Matt
I think it was the Basso boys that got Mikey back on track. He was banished until they sorted out what he wanted from footy, Clancee Pearce was another that went back to Basso and rejuvenated his career. Don't buy the myth that it was Lyon's tough love that redeemed those 2.
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WAL Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #76

WAL
Or maybe the Basso boys should have prepared the boys correctly the first time.
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Stacksonthemill Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #77

Stacksonthemill
"acknolgege". You've been out-Hypened, Hypen!
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Raglan Matt Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #78

Raglan Matt
Bloody hell, Stacks, how did we miss that?
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purple kit Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #79

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Morgan has confused “Bond” and “Bell” a few times in his post, made trying to understand his meaning quite difficult.
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Dockerplus Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #80

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I’m hoping that Peter Bell has already had some serious conversations about the possible trades with GWS for Jesse. I don’t think the trades for Hogan could be tabled before the start of the trade period so I guess we’ll know on Friday when the trading starts.
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Davo Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #81

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This was the worst trade since Colin Sylvia (RIP), and we've had a few.

Even just thinking of all the duds either drafted or traded in the last 5 years makes me cringe.

Hogan, Bennell, McCarthy, Balic, Apeness, Hannath, Anthony, Gumbleton, etc, etc.

Then you have actual good players not rated but let go: Menegola, Collins, de Boer.

If Hogan plays more than 20 games for GWS, I'll be very surprised but even that will be more games than for Freo.
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The_Yeti Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #82

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If Hogan gets his head in the right place then he is simply a major talent that we are letting go.

Freo seems to have have this issue where we trade in troubled players / players with issues and then try to 'fix' them. It hasn't worked. It might work if we had the people who can manage other people but it's pretty clear that we've missed that last bit....over and over and over.

My view is since the end of Connolly / Hart era, we've had a level of arrogance at the top of the club that defied all logic. We never had any real reason to be arrogant but none the less, the club management had that in spades.I wouldn't include 'Bloody Harvey' in that bunch but I'd count him as just one of the victims.

Certainly both the Steves, Bond, Roly and maybe Webber had far more of that than could ever be justified.

Life has shown repeatedly that you cannot effectively manage a wide variety of people when you lack the ability to understand them and arrogance will always prevent understanding of people.

I'm still a bit unsure about Bell. I keep hoping that he will bring a level of professional responsibility to the club but I'm still leaning towards him being afflicted of the same problem as the rest of the failed managers we've all endured. JLo is definitely looking the goods (so far) as a manager of people, not just as a coach.

Basically, this means we should either stop trading in 'issues on the cheap' or we build an effective man management structure capable of turning these blokes around. In the meantime, I'd be wanting the club to just stick with the draft because our drafting track record is waaaaay better than our trading record. The best trade we ever did was the bloody awful Croad deal where we got Elvis as a bit of gift wrapping and he turned out to be better in every way than Croad.

It's a bit of a long post but it's really something I've been watching for many years and yet nobody at the club seems to have noticed.
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goodie Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #83

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It's looking like pick 54 plus some later picks for Hogan according to afl.com. That would have to be close to the biggest drop off in value, in the space of two years, since trading started. If there has been a worse one I would like to know of it.
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Walter the baker Hogan going to GWS 3 years 6 months ago #84

Walter the baker
Sounds like “but that’s not all, we’ll also throw in a set of steak knives”, except we don’t get the “that’s not all” bit.
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