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TOPIC: Hogan going to GWS

Lazerith Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #155

Lazerith
Yea, and maybe far fetched , but the general idea is we should have tried everything to get McDonald possible and Nth have a huge number of list spots to fill.
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purplepower Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #156

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i was confident as a club we was moving in the right direction.... now I’m just “worried “ of what next....
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Docker by the Sea Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #157

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I have a theory. I say a theory because I have no hard evidence to support this but some anecdotal evidence.
By the end of 2015 we fell away badly. The club and coach were desperate to taste the ultimate success, with a professional but ageing list, needed something special to turn the tide.
The club, supporters and coach believed we had become a destination club.
Enter the opportunity to secure one of the most talented players in the comp. Bennell could’ve transformed the fortunes. I truly believe this. We threw caution to the wind and disregarded the risk.
I believe the following year we adopted different sets of standards for different members of the team. We went from a very solid, disciplined team with high standards. Too a team with loose guidelines depending on who you were.
We then followed this up with two more years at the draft with a talent before discipline choices.
I understand that there is an argument that you need to nurture these differences. I agree with this to an extent but it carries a risk that it alienated other members of the group.
I hear the noise about Fyfe and Lyon being the reason Neale left. Well Fyfe went to Neale’s wedding, and Neale couldn’t have spoken more highly of Lyon at the Brownlow. I hear he was upset at some player standards and felt he wasn’t being respected when he tried to address this.
I think Longmuir has arrived and said he’s no longer willing to accept it. I also think we have a group of youngsters that want to set the highest of standards. If you don’t want to play it that way with them, then get out of the way.
I’ve defended Lyon plenty on these pages but if I can see one area he screwed it up was in these final years.
If I’m right then I see plenty to be happy about in the next few years
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mac Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #158

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I thought it went pear shaped when Bradley Hill came played a average season and won the Doig medal in 2017. Thats when Neale made up his mind to get out.
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The_Yeti Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #159

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It's all very well putting your hand up and saying that you'll wear the responsibility but when you were the big noise behind the original deal, I'm not sure you have any alternative.

I don't know how serious Hogan's off field issues are because what gets reported doesn't seem like much to me but we have seemingly thrown in the towel here. Packing him off to GWS for the equivalent of a bag of twisties when he has the abilities that we desperately need on the field can't be supported based on the indiscretions that have been reported.

It also says that we've given up trying to manage him. His issues were known prior to recruitment and two years later, when most of his missed matches were due to injury, we've thrown our hands up and said it's all too hard. 2020 was a particularly strange year, so I wouldn't put too much on impressions gained through the year. Nothing about 2020 has been normal.

We've essentially given away all of the goal kicking forwards we've chased for years and now having blown all we've invested in these blokes, we're back where started....looking for a goal kicking forward. As much as I've talked up Tabs, he can't do it all on his own. We need Hogan in our forward line next year and we won't have him.

I'm not sure about JLo's line in the sand theory put up by some because that just says we can't manage people and if that's the case, the problem lies squarely off the field. Maybe trade a few managers to GWS.

Either way, this is poor and just gives ammunition to the cretins in the local media who spend their days looking to make Freo look stupid. Now we are doing that job for them.
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DS Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #160

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No one can manage people if they don’t want to be managed. Any employer lets those people go, no matter how good they are.
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Corporal Agarn Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #161

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Not sure how Neale can be full of praise for Lyon but upset by the player standards. He, you and us would know that the coach is responsible for setting the tone which as you say JL seems to be doing.

So that's contradictory for a start, plus Lyon didn't set a good standard himself did he. Lucky not to be charged with indecent assault over the incident at end of season buddy booze up.

Double standards?
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rogerrocks Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #162

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Neale may have thought that Ross was a great coach for him, but not for other people. Clearly Neale had the self discipline to look after all those things that Ross neglected, but many other players didn't. And I suspect that Neale held himself to a high standard behaviour regardless of what Ross did, but other more impressionable players might have seen Ross's behaviour and thought, well if he can get away with that, I'm fine.
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purple kit Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #163

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Salary cap squeeze if affecting all clubs, the suns just offloaded Peter Wright for a future 4th round pick from Essendon. I think our offloading of Hogan had a lot to do with keeping the kids, as much as perceived off field issues anyway.
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expat Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #164

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GWS - Go West Son .... Greater Western Sydney
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Corporal Agarn Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #165

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A future 4th round pick! That makes our Hogan trade look good.
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CaptSnooze Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #166

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Like Purplepower, I feel off-sided by the lack of transparency around this clearout . From my days working with HR.. HR in many large companies is measured on retention, with a constant drive to get the organisation working together harmoniously and effectively. In recent years, Myer-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) theory has gained traction; a world away from crude personality tests of old, MBTI codifies 16 personality traits, that people exhibit in various combinations, and complements cultural diversity training.
Simple diagrams are used to illustrate the many different ways that peoples brains work in interpreting and processing information and taking decisions, ranging from highly creative to emotional to highly rationalistic, and all the spectrum in between. The idea is that this insight better inclines colleagues to accept how a person ticks, even when that person's behaviour feels out-of-place. In the Hogan case, possibly the Cam Mac and others, holding everyone to obsessive disciplines ("high standards") that are subjective and perhaps not universal, feels like regression to the 90's, where investment in people is less appreciated. Maybe I don't understand football clubs, but this year Hogan came good on field: when he played we looked better and usually won. This felt like success. Instead his card seems to have been unilaterally marked. If salary cap was the reason, then 'it didn't work out with Jesse' doesn't add up and we end up speculating. Is it about injury? Behaviour? Salary cap? State of mind? Combination of the above? It may be a difficult topic but discerning fans deserve more than throwaway lines and it looks like the current heirarchy has missed a strength of Chris Bond: his willingness to go the extra mile to work through people's issues.
In better news, a hint from a previous Bell interview revealed that Dixon was turning up unfit for pre-seasons, but the club do rate his ability. It's possible he may yet do a 'Sonny', be re-rookied and turn into that forward we clearly need. Let's hope so.
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Freolifer Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #167

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I’ve read through every ones comments on Jesse being moved on & i’m as frustrated as anyone that he has gone, but do you really think that if there wasn’t some way for Jesse to work out at Freo that they wouldn’t have kept him - no one in they’re right mind after paying such a high price for him and also knowing we need a tall FF would just say too hard there just had to have been so much more to this than we will ever know unless Jesse speaks out which we know will never happen
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expat Hogan going to GWS 3 years 5 months ago #168

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... errr... now that I've fallen on hard times and the household income has been capped due to joining the dole queue. I've had to let three of my seven kids go...

The introverted 25 yr old was not pulling his weight and impacting negatively on the younger ones.
But good news is, we are bringing in a dog and three bunny rabbits during the holiday season to keep the crew together...

EDIT: The dog has good outside speed.
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