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TOPIC: Why Can't We Score

Corporal Agarn Why Can't We Score 3 years 8 months ago #1

Corporal Agarn
i. We seem to lack system going into attack.
i. Walters is dreadfully out of form.
iii. Lobb is dreadfully out of form.
iv. we often take the wrong and harder/hardest option.
v. some players seem unwilling to have a shot even in obvious situations.
vi. we miss easy gettable goals.
vii. we are too slow bringing the ball in, consequently it's too crowded and easy to defend.
viii. tonight Tabs and Hogan took most of their marks too far up the ground.
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themagoos Why Can't We Score 3 years 8 months ago #2

themagoos
There's never a small forward at the fall of the ball, but there's always an opposition defender there.
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Morgan Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #3

Morgan
CA, I’ve thought about this a bit, and my best explanation is that it’s a matter of time to bed a new system and decision-making by the players.

When to comes to scoring, there are at least five broadly overlapping ways to try and score:

i. Create space forward and hit a man on the lead;
ii. Try to take a contested mark and/or crumb from the contest;
iii. Try and run through or around the other team’s midfield or get out over the back;
iv. Create a stoppage in the forward 50 and score from that; or
v. Score from turnovers and try to score while the other team is out of position.

When selecting a team and trying to play to a system, it’s impossible to focus on all of these ways to score. For example, for most of Ross Lyon’s run he focussed on the last two at the expense of the others. He pivoted a little towards the ‘try and get out the back’ option in the last couple of years, with limited success.

JLo seems to be focussing heavily on the second option. If we are going to play tall it makes sense, and we’ve seen how it has benefited Tabs. But if you look at the other aspects, I don’t think we’re performing all that well.

Other than Hogan, we don’t have any forwards who have the burst speed or timing to lead at the ball. We don’t have an elite crumber yet at the feet of Tabs/Lobb (hopefully Henry can grow into that role a bit). We don’t create many stoppages in the forward 50 (my view is that having twin towers in the forward 50 makes that harded, but others might disagree). We don’t really seem to be great at building a wall for repeat entries, which we should be able to do when our bigs learn to play with each other.

Relying on taking a contested mark in the 50, as a strategy by itself, is an inefficient way to score. It’s a great weapon to have, but think of all the times we looked for Tabs against Richmond (and generally) for the output of 1 goal. It needs to be an option, not the only option. We need to find easier goals, which will come by layering on the other methods a little, which I think will come in time.

Personally, I think we need to get the midfield involved more. Our midfielders like Fyfe and Walters used to create chances from stoppages in the 50, and that doesn’t happen anymore and Walters in particular looks a little lost. B Hill and Langdon used to get over the back, but there aren’t natural replacements for those players, and guys like Bewley and Brayshaw are much better at running into defence than into the forward line.

My guess is that JLo is starting with the bones of the structure, and the rest will come together. I think once the team (and especially the defence) is settled he might loosen the reigns on players taking the game on from halfback. We haven’t got many goals streaming through the middle, and I think we need to add that to our game a bit more rather than the repeated long kicks down the line.
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rogerrocks Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #4

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Mitch Crowden shows up the other forwards as being too nervous, and feeling they are under more pressure than they really are. Sure you'll get caught every now and then if you take the extra step, but on the whole its worth it. Our backline is developing a certain calmness, and our forwards need the same.
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pollyanna Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #5

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Besides what Justin stated in his presser, I'll state the bloody obvious:

You kick the ball straight through the bloody middle of the big sticks and you don't bloody stutter-step your way into utter bloody embarrassment.
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Straddo Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #6

Straddo
I think the question is wrong. It's not that we can't score, for me the question is, why do we keep bombing it into the 50 and against all the evidence of the last 4 years, expect a different result?

For just a few moments in the 3rd quarter, the entries into the forward fifty slowed down, the kicks became deliberate, forwards moved around to create space and then led towards the kicker and for about 5 minutes we looked like a 100 points a game team. Then for some reason the spell broke, and we were back bombing it into the top of the square and at least a couple of times Richmond had us outmanned 6:2. Turnover and rebound footy at its finest.

If we insist on pusuing this crazy tactic, at the very minimum I would be getting Walters out of the midfield and crumbling at the feet of lobbe, tabs and Hogan. If he starts kicking a few, that confidence will come back pretty quick.
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Raglan Matt Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #7

Raglan Matt
We do look more like scoring when forwards lead and keep moving to open up space for others to lead. I think Longmuir is trying to create that space but you do need to have forwards who time their run at the ball, and dont spit it and stop in the middle of the hot spot when the ball isn't kicked to them. Under the previous regime, if we had a repeat entry it seemed to be policy to get everyone into a 10 yard patch of grass and kick it there to force a stoppage, and that didn't work. I see signs of a more open and mobile forward structure, and at times as Straddo said, it looks good.
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freo00 Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #8

freo00
When we get our back line back ( if we do ) maybe Big Brennan Cox could do some more work in the

forward line now he has more confidence ?
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DS Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #9

DS
Wasn’t A Pearce given a bit of time in the forward line a few years ago? Anyone remember how he went?
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goodie Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #10

goodie
I know that saying 'score as much as possible' isn't an active plan, or a solution to our scoring woes, but it might be something dockers management could at least consider as part of a broader framework. If they sat down and asked themselves what it is the fans want to see most weeks, I am pretty sure the answer would be a team that kicks alot of goals. And wins alot obviously. It just seems like scoring has been something of an afterthought at Freo, as if fixing other problems has always been a priority. They need to target known goalkickers at the draft and make it more of a priority in general.
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Walter the baker Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #11

Walter the baker
Regarding A Pearce, he certainly spent time in the forward line prior to recruitment.
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mac Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #12

mac
It's just bad nervous kicking, bad choices and predictable play into the forward 50m.
Fyfe has never been a reliable kick, still have flashbacks to a day 2013.
Walters head is somewhere else and reminds me of Farmer in his last years when he went to ground slipping, sliding tapping the ball left and right to get around one player,when all he had to do was pick up the ball and be gone.
Can't do that in today's game because of the congestion.
Tabs is always manned by several incoming firsts all directions as there is no other dangerous forward.
Need a forward to help, which I thought Lobb would be it.
Very happy with 2020. Losing four games by less than two kicks this year...bring on 2021!
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jezzaargh Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #13

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I remember Pearce, A having a stint forward and seemingly very tentative on his set shot kicking - about half the distance you’d expect. But that was early days and maybe he might have more confidence with more experience...
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Quasimodo Why Can't We Score 3 years 7 months ago #14

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Cos we are ugly and girls dont like us.
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