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TOPIC: Matt Taberner

cletus Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #43

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It's whats loose in Cletus's Top paddock that we gotta worry about, Polly & CA.....
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zorro Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #44

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What’s wrong with Matt’s goalkicking, Morgan? 18.8 (at around 70%) is elite.
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cletus Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #45

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And why do we want Tabs making tackles??. What we want him to do is to clunk 'em & kick 'em.

He seems to be doing that pretty well.

The last think I want him doing is having a high tackle count!! If Tabs is caught out defensively, I could not care.

We want him in 'full on attack' mode. Nuthin' else!!.
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pollyanna Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #46

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Stats: 0 from 1 playing on in the goal square (-100%).
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Morgan Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #47

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Tabs' goal-kicking has been really good this year. He seems a lot more comfortable screwing them around the corner than taking set shots straight in front of goal from anything more than 25m.

It's great Tabs has been playing closer to goal, but he sticks 0.4 tackles a game. For context, other key forwards: J Cameron (1.8) Hawkins (1.7) Dixon (1.3) Reiwoldt (1.1) Kennedy (0.9) Hipwood (0.9) T Lynch (0.7).

He's basically laying half the tackles of the next worst tackling key forward.

None of which is to say it's as important as marking and kicking goals, but he's not exactly the most well-rounded player.
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Raglan Matt Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #48

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As far as game awareness goes, he is doing pretty well at putting himself where the footy is going, and pretty good at getting it where it needs to go. However, if you were to criticise his situational awareness, Morgan, Polly's stat sheet may back you up.
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Raglan Matt Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #49

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Naah, that just says all those felles forwards teammates are pretty lazy defensively, and leave all the hard work to their big fella. Tabs is well respected by his small forwards, he kicks the goals, they do the hard yards for him.
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The_Yeti Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #50

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I don't see the point in the continual criticism of Tabs when he's clearly best 22, averaging a shade below 2 goals per game, has taken 60 marks in 10 games and is kicking accurately on goal.

It seems some people who've incorrectly criticised him in the past just see what they want to see. While he was being criticised for not being able to take a mark, he was Freo's leading contested mark during Pavlich's final two seasons. This year, he's again our leading contested mark with Lobb the only other player in double figures. He's our leading mark overall (contested and uncontested). The only player anywhere near him is Ryan which is understandable with all the time the ball has spent in our defensive area.

He's our leading goal kicker by some margin (more than double the next best) as well as being one the more accurate kicks on goal. Additionally, he's one of the better players for goal assists.

When he was constantly being exiled to Peel, he was their most accurate kick on goal, something that dissipated over the years when his coach tried to turn him from a forward to a ruckman. Now that he's able to practice skills again, his goal kicking accuracy is getting back to where it used to be.

In spite of all of this, some just want to nitpick areas where he isn't the best in the side. He gets selected because he runs all day, takes contested marks and kicks more goals than anybody else. I'm just glad that the selection committee chooses players on what they bring to the team rather than ignoring that and concentrating on other things.
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Morgan Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #51

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If the criteria is whether he’s in the best 22 then I think that has been answered; but that wasn’t the topic of this post. The question at hand is whether Tabs is a star? Actually, whether he is so obviously a star that people like me who didn’t think he would become a star should apologise because he’s a star.

It’s a really good question and fun to discuss is because it’s not obvious either way, or even what the threshold is for someone to be considered a star.

All very good players have weaknesses (Fyfe’s kicking and chasing can be a bit untidy, Walters is a bit slight to play in the midfield, Mundy is slow as a wet week), Tabs has more weaknesses than most ‘stars’. I don’t think it’s nit-picking to say he has limitations any more than it is cherry-picking to say he’s an elite contested mark. Both are true.

He’s a 27 year old key forward who has never averaged 2 goals a season and never been within touching distance of an AA squad. He’s playing pretty well this year, but he’s received the grand total of 8 coaches votes this season.

I’d probably have him behind other key forwards like Kennedy, Hawkins, Dixon, Cameron and Lynch (and of course Buddy when he’s fit), but he’s not too far behind those guys in output, and I’d probably rather Tabs at his salary than Buddy at his, for example.

He’s certainly a more useful player than I thought he’d be.
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Blue1red1 Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #52

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Do get me wrong here, but if you are winning the ball in the air and then kicking it through the middle / side / over the sidelines who are you meant to be tackling. Tabs is a catch ball kick ball type of lad. He has a troupe of terriers around his knees to do all the tackling stuff if Tabs has destroyed a back pack in a marking contest .
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The_Yeti Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #53

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He's always been good. The difference now is he no longer has a 'coach' that disrupts his development.

I don't agree that he has more weaknesses than most 'stars'. He's also not a 'star'. He's an effective player who is finally getting the chance to excel by using his talents rather than either playing left right out or somewhere in defence.

Currently, he is in seventh spot on the Coleman list and ahead of many more players including Jeremy Cameron, Tom Lynch and sooky lala Reiwoldt. Not a bad achievement for somebody in a team ranked 14th for scoring.

Talk of Tabs being poor below the knees is also misleading. He's not as good as Fyfe or Walters but he's still handy at ground level as he's demonstrated a number of times. He is still to reach his full potential in my view but he has a much better chance under JLo than he had under 'I don't coach skills'.
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jezzaargh Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #54

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There’s also the “value for money” equation - he was picked in the Rookie Draft which is not generally as much of a hunting ground for stars as compared to the other forwards you’ve named - with the exception of Hawkins and Hipwood, most of those were top 10 picks in the draft proper.
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Bizkit Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #55

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I'm with Morgan on this one. It's great to see Tabs clunking some marks and leading the aerial battle but he lacks plenty in other facets of the game as mentioned.

I also don't subscribe to the theory he was held back by RL with his development, he had many long stints in the side doing very little. Cox was a more than comparable key forward stats wise when he was 18/19 and is still 5 years younger than Tabs. I'd be hoping tabs is teaching him a few things in training so he can take over in a couple years.

Before history is revised too far, Tabs was afforded games in his debut season (4 games) before 9 in his second, 15 in his third and 17 in his fourth. That's a lot for a young key position forward who only kicked 41 goals from those first 45 games, more so because that was the period we were on top of the ladder and winning plenty. From there he copped injuries and has struggled to play out a season so you could hardly blame the coach for any of that.
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Mushroom Matt Taberner 3 years 8 months ago #56

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He's only had 3 years with that lump Pavlich being out of his way.

And maybe he doesn't get many 2020 ground ball gets because he's marking them.

Sounds like you gourds are, for reasons known only to you, searching for affirmation that the contested marking forward we've been wanting for a long, long time is actually no good.
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