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TOPIC: which school did you go to ?

shane which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #29

shane
That's just because he wants Trump to build a wall at the Canadian border. Keep the refugees out.
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KingKepler which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #30

KingKepler
Private schools are a business and there is a market for them to operate so I don’t begrudge them for operating how they see fit. Scholarships are offered for a range of academic, musical and sporting subjects at a number of private and non-private schools. An education doesn’t necessarily just have to be limited to maths, English and religion.

In a purely egalitarian society everyone would have access to a system that helps them achieve what they enjoy doing. Sadly we live in a world where it is easier for some people to access this and reap the rewards. However I don’t think it’s fair to have a crack at some schools for offering a programme to students to achieve what they want to at either at a cost or by providing a scholarship.

AFL clubs make the choice of which system they recruit young players from and I agree it is often biased towards the private school system probably because it is seen as a lower risk option in many cases. The kid comes from a stable background, interviews well and has nice teeth. As the AFL clubs do the recruiting it is up to them and not the private schools to change this a mentality if they want to truly have a better pool to draw from.

By the way I didn’t go to a private school and repeated year 12 to get into university.
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hypen which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #31

hypen
Thanks Kepler. Why the institutionalised funding then?
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jezzaargh which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #32

jezzaargh
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i) no one is begrudging the private school “free market” approach, just the use of tax payer and Church funding to run footballing academies instead of educational institutions

ii) when we are all well too aware of the extent of disadvantage that exists, we owe it to ourselves to make efforts to actively redress it - private school scholarships help but so too would direct AFL investment in seeking out and developing talent in poorer areas, like Basso.
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pollyanna which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #33

pollyanna
The genteel leafy suburb parked next to the meandering Anon River known affectionately as Basso you meant to say jezzargh.
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KingKepler which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #34

KingKepler
I am not educated in the amount of funding private schools receive and if a specific amount of funding is provided specifically for the schools to run football programmes for their students. I assume it is up to the school to decide how they spend the funding they receive however I could be wrong.

I also don’t know the percentage of funding which is from the government versus the amount from school fees which enable them to run these programmes.

My point is it is an overly simplistic point of view to say that private schools are immorally using funding to run football academies. I’m not saying it is right or wrong they obtain this funding versus it being directed elsewhere but the point of view they are doing is wrong is questionable.
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Blue1red1 which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #35

Blue1red1
Sorry, but I was struggling to see the number of private schools in the Tiwi Islands?
Not to state the Bleeding obvious lads, but doesn't the representation of people playing AFL reflect on the choices of the Clubs making the picks and not the schools players are from? Is this argument reflecting the schools or the culture of the clubs who make the choices, and I get all the vested interests here Shane, but is our academy choice strategy this year based around school or talent?
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shane which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #36

shane
I'm not sure what that has to do with the article but have a think about this and maybe re-examine you're view on using a formula to judge character.

The template for the perfect football recruit is still Ben Cousins and Daniel Kerr. Good footballer from a stable home who went to an expensive school, who is polite and well spoken around adults. The fact they still don't accept that character and ability shouldn't be determined by a formula is institutional bias.
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Sox which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #37

Sox
The problem, as I see it, is that the AFL is becoming homogenous due to large proportions of it’s players sharing the same educational background. On top of which, that mean that it’s trending towards players, coaches and staff with all the trappings of privilege i.e. arrogance, entitlement and difficulties self-motivating. As alluded to earlier, this can lead to young men doing unhealthy risk-taking including excessive drinking, drug use and dangerous driving.
I don’t think it’s the clubs’ fault. Based on that article, it seems that the clubs are canvassing all prospects but increasingly those prospects are in private schools as those schools are buying in the talent from other schools.
I don’t think it’s the schools’ fault. They’re free market capitalist institutions trying to boost their marketing potential and in the process they’re offering educational opportunities to students that otherwise wouldn’t be able to acces them, while simultaneously offering a peak training and playing environment for potential professional footballers.
So, we’ve got a big problem, but it’s not the fault of the main players.
If only there was some oversight body, some football authority, that could step in and make changes to correct this...
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Raglan Matt which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #38

Raglan Matt
There is So...…. Oh, I see what you mean.

Shane, exactly the same thing is happening in rugby, in NZ, the big schools are buying or bribing the talent, not just from NZ schools, but South Pacific wide. Because they have such a huge investment in these programs, they are unwilling to do anything to upset the pathway to the All Blacks, to the extent of not delivering a full & rounded education, & not punishing/hiding any poor or bad behavior. This is leading to young sportsmen who believe they are an elite class of people, with the right to behave as they please. I would add that not all graduates of these programs are like this, but too many are.
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shane which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #39

shane
Sox, if you go back 7 years ago to comments made by the Adelaide recruiter Matt Rendell around Cyril Rioli, he warned everyone about this direction and we took it as him being racist. The league and the clubs drove this.
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shane which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #40

shane
And the schools aren't free market capitalist organisations. They are owned and operated by a community. It's probably difficult for people to understand if they have no stake in the Catholic church, or are cynical towards it. They run schools in this manner and then they wonder why numbers are falling at mass on Sundays. Probably not the place for that conversation though.
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blockerhall which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #41

blockerhall
So I went and read the base research for Niall's article. Although it is a bit eclectic, you should too:

Journalism 101

So much ground to cover here. FWIW, up front, my wife and I have sent both our boys to what you would probably call an elite school. It has just about broken us. The youngest one's schooling is still in jeopardy as we struggle with the financial burden. But in our favour we are back to one next year as the oldest one has just completed his ATAR. Is it worth it? No. Is it better than the alternative? Yes. It's a tough decision. I went to Northam Senior High School. My wife South Hedland High School. Hardly pretentious. Perhaps we are aspirational, but who doesn't want the best for their kids? But I digress.

Up front, this school does not offer sporting scholarships. I'm confident that they do not exist at this school. But the suggestion is that they do exist at other PSA schools in one guise or another, and that is the thin edge of the wedge. I honestly believe we are perhaps 10 years behind Victoria in private schools vacuuming up available talent through financial assistance. Does this school develop talent? Not really. It just accumulates talent and puts it together, typically under someone who has at least been in the AFL system. But by way of example, my oldest son is good overhead, tough inside, neat on both sides, excellent decision maker, lacks running power. Really coachable. But systematically ignored. Next to no coaching or encouragement, and sadly the PSA demands that you give up your external club in high school. In my opinion PSA schools love flashy kids who try to run around the tackler and spray the footy forward. Don't seem to see much individual improvement in them to be honest, they are skill-capped. I think some of the development available in cricket and rugby is actually better. But that might be a bit harsh.

I read a study four years ago that flagged "Perth's leafy western suburbs have defied a worldwide trend to emerge as Australia's most productive hotspot for Olympic talent." (as opposed to other international research into what is known as "the birthplace effect" highlighting regional areas as the key producers of Olympic athletes). The article named Claremont, Nedlands, and Cambridge specifically as the cluster- effectively the same feeder for the western suburbs-based PSA schools. Should be no real surprise that some ok footballers are then also available in that area, and feeding in to those schools.

Walking past a taxi last night I heard an additional addendum to the over-representation of private schools on AFL lists, stating that 4 of the Western Bulldogs father-son choices came from the same private school, highlighting perhaps that the fathers had made some money from football (not easily done a generation prior), and were able to offer perceived better education and sporting opportunities as a result. From the choices we have made, it is very understandable.
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hypen which school did you go to ? 4 years 4 months ago #42

hypen
I just want to make it really clear that the last thing I intended to do was offend any of those noble parents who give up so much to ensure their kids have the best education they can. My initial comments were not about that.
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