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cletus How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #1

cletus
This???!!!! :

Get set for draft night drama: Why clubs are holding fire on pick swaps - m.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-07/get-set-for...g-fire-on-pick-swaps

It used to be so simple.....

If you didn't have a 'Bizkit' , how would anyone understand all this???
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shane How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #2

shane
Classic case of departmental bloat.

Like the umpires, they recruiters are their own industry now.
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jezzaargh How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #3

jezzaargh
meh. landline phones and cathode ray tube televisions were simpler too.

it’s not that hard, there’s a points system that goes with draft picks. there’s a discount that applies to first round swaps. and there are people with fancy calculating computers who are being paid to make a deal and make a decision on the spot.

It opens up the market, and creates a flexible and fluid approach instead of a inflexible and rigid one.

welcome to 2019.
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Quasimodo How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #4

Quasimodo
They have created an over complicated system. No one understands. I bet half the list managers dont know how it works and the other half are working on ways to exploit it.

Why?

To keep AFL on the back page of the paper through the summer, the AFL is obsessed with ensuring they are the biggest sport in Australia and the media know AFL on the back page equals paper sales and internet clicks which equal advertising dollars. Thats why trade week takes 10 days instead of 3.

For them bloat and complexity = advertising revenue
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shane How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #5

shane
As long as you're aware, jezzaargh, that you're one of the ones paying the people with fancy calculating computers.
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Bizkit How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #6

Bizkit
While it's true part of the reason trade week and a lot of these events are spaced out as they are is to increase the focus on AFL in the media, I don't think it's a particularly complicated system. It's relatively straight forward but maybe they're no good at explaining it all to the public. Unless you're a hardcore fan, you're probably not paying that much attention to the system and how it works, you just watch the footy and want all the star players in your team.

Most fans want fairness across the competition and this system provides the most fair and equitable movement of players in probably any competition across the world. It's not an easy thing to manage and I think it's one thing the AFL have done pretty well.
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Quasimodo How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #7

Quasimodo
The most fair and equitable system would have to be the WAFL pre OOFtits

From 1973 to 1982 all 8 clubs won a flag, all through a zone system.

73 Subi
74 old easts
75 Cardies
76 Demons
77 Demons
78 Royals
79 Old East
80 Bulldogs
81 tigers
82 swans

You cant get fairer than that and not a draft point in sight..
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pollyanna How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #8

pollyanna
I'm not sure about equity but will accept Biz's opinion on that. The great thing about numbers is their fixed denotation - 3 is one less than 4 and one more than two. No baloney in other words.

But from that list of WAFL premierships it's stretching belief to think that Perth got one in the post WWII era, let alone two back to back.
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Corporal Agarn How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #9

Corporal Agarn
Have they actually played any final since then?
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Quasimodo How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #10

Quasimodo
They played in the 1978 grand final and lost by 2 points to East Perth, I dont think they have played finals since.

For me the 70s and early to mid 80s are the halcyon days of footy, loved going to the WAFL back then and seeing the great players we had regardless of which jumper they wore.
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Bizkit How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #11

Bizkit
A system based on zones doesn't really account for player movement like the modern game so the random ability of each club to pick up a premiership one after the other back then probably doesn't imply much of anything. It's an interesting fact though.
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Quasimodo How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #12

Quasimodo
I just find it an interesting bit of statistical trivia.
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rogerrocks How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #13

rogerrocks
I'm guessing Quasi, but could it be that whoever won the premiership attracted the interest of Vic talent scouts and lost more players? A completely unintentional mechanism for evening out a competition.
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Quasimodo How did it come to.... 1 week 6 days ago #14

Quasimodo
Interesting theory RR, certainly a lot of players were going over the VFL at the time.

I just think it is amazing that in a system that other than recruiting zones was totally deregulated you had such an even spread with 8 teams each winning a flag in 10 years. you also had West Perth going from wooden spoon in 74 to premiers in 75 it was just a very even comp.

I just looked up the 1974 season on wkipedia, the ladder shows you the closeness.

1974 WANFL ladder
TEAM P W L D PF PA % PTS
1 East Fremantle (P) 21 13 7 1 2164 1878 115.23% 54
2 Perth 21 13 8 0 2146 1929 111.25% 52
3 Subiaco 21 12 9 0 1703 1741 97.82% 48
4 Swan Districts 21 11 9 1 1932 1940 99.59% 46
5 South Fremantle 21 11 10 0 2090 2001 104.45% 44
6 East Perth 21 10 11 0 2025 1945 104.11% 40
7 Claremont 21 7 14 0 1726 2076 83.14% 28
8 West Perth 21 6 15 0 1758 2034 86.43% 24
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