TOPIC: Draft Prospect

Timbo29 Re:Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #29

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I just hope we don't trade our first pick on Tim Kelly. As good a player as he is he turns 26 next year. If Langdon and both Hills go next year we will be at least 5 years off being a good team. A total rebuild via the draft is required
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hypen Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #30

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What they seem to do is trade first round draft pick position Timbo and I think that's what we'll do here. It will get wrapped up in so many ins and outs it'll be hard to assess.

What we won't get though is the bloke Bizkit is advocating.
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Bizkit Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #31

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My fear is that we continue to trade away our chance at the best kids and recruit more middle aged players to top up a list that is not in a position to properly challenge. It's something we've been doing for years now and has not helped our rebuild at all.

Instead of having a bunch of talented kids coming through together and learning and growing into a dominant team as we did in 2009-10, we have a bunch of middle of the road players supporting our stars while the kids stagnate or are proven not good enough. I guess it caters to RL's style of coaching but that's not conducive to rebuilding a team and a sustained period towards the top end of the ladder.

Kelly would fall in line with the above despite being a better player than most who've come through the door. You'd get a few good years from him keeping us in the middle of the pack before he retires along with the rest of our stars and they're replaced by no one of note. Get some quality kids in there this year before it's too late.
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hypen Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #32

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In 2016 Lyon needed to change his ways, instead they turned over a list.

At the same time they said they could it get it all done and win a flag in 110 games of football.

And they've been on the run ever since. What's needed is something I don't think Rosich is capable of: an admission of failure (to a certain degree) and a reset to finish building the list as Timbo said.

I don't think we'll be five years away, but think we need to get four of the best available midfielders under 23 in the country on our list.
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The_Yeti Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #33

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Freo: the next St Kilda.

No success, sustained or otherwise and when Roly finally moves on, we'll have a completely knackered list that will take us at least 3 - 4 years to recover from.

I'm seeing a pattern here
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pollyanna Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #34

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Tim Kelly would be a fantastic addition to any side, but he has been unable to cope with a tag this year. That worries me, you've got to be better than that or find your way to get clear. He's got some of the best around him at Geelong - imagine how he would cope with those we have in the midfield (or will have).

I was sold last year on him, this year I have some doubts. But for the next three years he should be one of the best in the business, pretty tough to overlook that.
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DocDocker Draft Prospect 1 month 3 weeks ago #35

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If Ed and the Hills go freo should get some good second round picks and that is where freo have done well in the past.

Didn't freo have picks 2 and 5 a couple of years ago. So they haven't always traded away early picks.
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Bizkit Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #36

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There were plenty of people who didn't like my suggestion of drafting Brodie Kemp with our first pick due to his recent injury but unfortunately one of the leading WA prospects has gone down with a serious shoulder injury.

While Robertson is probably in the 10-20 range and our pick will likely be around the 5-7 mark, does this change anyone's opinion on drafting kids coming off an injury? I'm pretty set in my hope that Kemp falls to our first pick and we can use our remaining picks to get enough points to nab Henry but I know a lot of people just want to go with home grown talent regardless of whether there's anything better around. Does this effect your view or thinking on Robertson?
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slammen Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #37

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I would still take Robertson ahead of Brodie Kemp , knee injuries reoccur to often for my liking and we can't afford another Morabito disaster, I also like how tough Robertson showed he is playing out the game injured from the second quarter .
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Quasimodo Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #38

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I think we need to draft on what we need and drafting needs to be based on a 5 year window.

We know Bennell and Kersten are gone.

We know Sandi and Ballas are retired at the end of the season
We know Langdon and B Hil are likely to go
S Hill is a problem as he is always injured

I think we need a good inside mid , 2 good outside mids, and a ruckman

This kid is the best inside mid of this draft, he tore them up in the TAC I would draft him, Shoulders are fixable.Judd had a dodgy shoulder and look at how he did.

I thnk our recent trading has lead us down the path North Melbourne followed you get scrappers from other clubs and give up the potential of young kids and end up in mid to lower table obscurity.
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Detox Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #39

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I think there is a bit of knock on Robertson with his kicking. I think with our first pick we could pick Lachie Ash if we want speed off half back or Dylan Robertson as a wingman. Elijah Taylor and Liam Henry together could fix our front half. Maybe see how Elijah Taylor goes in the last few weeks anyway. Hopefully we see him in the seniors. He is probably an early second round pick but might slide a bit.
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The_Yeti Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #40

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Yeah, Quasi, Judd had a bad shoulder but he always had his gouging fingers to fall back on.

Biz, I take your point with Kemp and I'm probably never going to argue with you too much when you assess players but I haven't changed my mind and it has nothing to do with picking from interstate.

Knee injuries worry me. It's a risk that the player has a weakness to that type of injury and will have further problems with knees as he goes through his career. You're looking at a year out for each knee job and i don't recall too many players who had only one knee injury. They seem to like stringing them together.

Add to that, the sterling record of our fitness and medico departments in dealing with injuries and Kemp is starting to look like another case to mismanage. Until the conditioning and medico issues are resolved, we should be looking at finding another Mundy, who is seemingly indestructable (or at least doesn't go near the club doctors)
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Leed Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #41

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Fyfe had bad shoulders ... fixed, Blakely had a bad shoulder ... fixed. Prefer Robertson. I hope that Kelly decides to stay at Geelong and is removed from the equation. Would prefer we draft youth than recruit 26 year old's. If it means more pain in the short term, so be it.
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Suker Draft Prospect 1 month 2 weeks ago #42

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What do recruiters look for? Obviously talent and character come into it. Current form at 18s level can be an indicator but very often the in-form 18s player turns out to be something else down the track. Too often so called "ready-made" league players do not have much scope for improvement or development, whether it is physical or above the shoulders. How do we measure potential? Not sure but plenty of stars have come from a modest draft position.
Powell-Pepper comes to mind. He burst onto the scene with his energy and physicality, but he was very much stronger than most other players of his age. I don't reckon he has gained much physically since being drafted or expanded his game much. I am glad we didn't get him but early on he was very exciting. He appears to be struggling a little now.

So regarding recruitment, talent first. Potential needs to be considered, however it may be recognised or measured. Character can be built with decent coaches/staff. Where they are from should not matter (I know it does in some cases down the track) because if you have excellent systems in place where players feel they are given every opportunity to improve and develop, with professional support, then retention becomes less of an issue. Lachie Neale should still be at Freo, but he isn't...and I daresay he just wanted to be happier in his footy life. Not too much to ask. So as much as recruitment is important, the systems in place are most important for overall sustained success. Football people at the very top need to be of the highest quality.
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