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TOPIC: Sack the coach

Gerovich Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #57

Gerovich
distress, disappointment, anxiety, anger and a whole lot of other emotions - sure KK, remember leaving Freo Oval to some public swimming pool down south, where facilities alone promised a premiership?

Give Bell a shot...if he boots Lyon...
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Docker by the Sea Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #58

Docker by the Sea
One game out of the bottom four again, and percentage below 100% again. Beaten by over ten goals again, lost the derby again.
Rinse and repeat.
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Dockermus Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #59

Dockermus
I think that's going to be "rinse & repeat" for the next 7 games. WCE in current form were always going to be a stiff test, but given the list Freo has, arguably the best quality ever assembled in 25 years, the only rational explanation for failing to win games against loss-addicted teams like Melbourne and Carlton is because the players are no longer in step with the coach. I think that explains the clear lack of effort from some of the team on Saturday, and goes some way toward explaining the persistent rumours of player unrest that low-life journos are plugging away with. Ross Lyon, your time is up.
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shane Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #60

shane
There was plenty of effort, we had as much of the ball as them and got it into our half as much as them. The problem was that they had a structure that played to their strengths and out weaknesses, they changed the way they played to suit the conditions and they looked like they'd spent considerably more time working on their goal kicking routine than the Fremantle players.

We kicked 19 points. We had 60 inside 50's. And we kept doing essentially the same thing all night long, waiting for it to all click together. The fact we couldn't even jag a goal from a free kick inside 50 tells you how effective those inside 50's were. It was nothing but wasted effort.

We used to laugh at the Eagles for playing football like that against us. They'd run themselves silly and we'd lay waste to them in the second half. All effort, not brain.

We'd run ourselves out of the game by half time. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of intelligence and that's because the coach thinks in terms of fixed game plans and stability rather than being able to think on his feet week to week. It's lazy coaching.
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Mercury Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #61

Mercury
As Ross Lyon has another year to run on his contract, the Club can't sack him because we will have no money to offer, in terms of a salary, to a new coach. The only way Freo could dispose of the coach is to have someone from the current ranks of assistant coaches to take over.

Here is an article on the football departments' salary caps for the clubs: www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-freeze-o...20180830-p500ut.html

If the AFL doesn't implement the cap on spending in 2020, we can pay out Ross Lyon and bring in a new coach. The Club signed Ross up until the end of 2020 and we now look back on that decision with despair.
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shane Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #62

shane
Two things though. It's a soft cap. So it's just a case of how much money.

Secondly, it would also be a good time to cut spending waste. Rosich throws cash around like he's in a rap video. We're always at the top end of the spending table, for what appears to be no great benefit.
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Raglan Matt Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #63

Raglan Matt
If he can't be sacked under breach of contract laws, someone is not doing their homework.
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CaptSnooze Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #64

CaptSnooze
Exactly what Im thinking RM: who draws up a long-term contract without a get-out clause for underperformance?
We do need a strong, visible, presence at president and board level to intervene and put a broom through the top admin, and issue a clear direction to the football department. I can keep dreaming.

As for the coach, Michael Barlow came out on the radio last night saying Ross is the man for the job. Now, I'm confused.
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larkin Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #65

larkin
It was a train wreck that said I'll put down 5 goals against to umpire assists against us and had we actually kicked 5 more goals - that on any other day we might have kicked - the game looks a whole lot different.
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hypen Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #66

hypen
So only a ten goal flogging, Larkin if the umpires gave us a good go?

You can't put our goal kicking down as an anomaly - its a regular occurrence. and the umpires weren't great but geez!!!!
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The_Yeti Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #67

The_Yeti
There is absolutely no way you can put any of this on the umpires, 5 goals or otherwise.

We kicked 2 goals 19 points on a night the weasels kicked 19 goals 8 points. It wasn't the umpires that made us kick so poorly. It wasn't the playing conditions because the weasels played in the same conditions with few problems.

The problems that led to that debacle are the same ones that geniuses have failed to address in years.

The weasels were far better organised than we were. They played to their strengths where we did clever stuff like playing people out of their positions or leave players out of the side who should have been there.

The weasels knew when they went forward what they needed to do whereas we (as usual) bombed it high into the waiting arms of the same intercept defenders that do it every time we play against them.

Failure is feedback is it? That would be a NO from me.

The weasels skill levels were far better than ours, as bloody usual because Roly doesn't train skills.

Its the same failures, game after game, year after year with no changes made to the way we do things even though we all know that it doesn't work.

I have no idea how anybody could be stretching reality with what ifs just to avoid attention being directed at the person completely responsible for our regular poor performances.

What if the umps didn't give the weasels five goals (disputed) and we kicked five goals more (again disputed), would it have changed the result? No not really, we still would have been smashed.

But I'll give you a what if to ponder. What if we had a coach that saw where we were failing and adjusted our methods to fix that? What if we had a coach that could deal with reality instead of a coach that tries to fit reality into his narrow view of how he wants it done? What if people stopped enabling constant failure by demanding that we 'have to support the club' no matter the circumstances but instead demanded improvement?

There are some real world what ifs for you.
Egurls Suck!
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shane Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #68

shane
In his defence, it was past bedtime.

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Quasimodo Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #69

Quasimodo
Ed langdon "can I afford a townhouse near Brunswick St"
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Dockermus Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #70

Dockermus
Darcy Tucker's thoughts probably can't be printed.
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