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TOPIC: Sack the coach

Raglan Matt Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #155

Raglan Matt
FTO, that's what worries me about the calls to get Pav in as coach. Mind you Barlow said he rated him as well but definitely does not think he is the right coach for Freo. At least he is as honest off the ground as he was on the ground.
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shane Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #156

shane
Who is calling to get Pav in as coach? That's insane.
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Ricco Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #157

Ricco
I worry more about next year.

It is likely we will lose 1 or 2 players at draft time at least (normal turnover ). Judging by previous experience we don’t bring in much better quality than we lose and tend to go for draft picks.

Mundy who has been amongst our best this year is another year older and / or retired.

I think Fyfe is closer to 30. Not sure Walters age but he isn’t getting younger.

Don’t know what will happen with Steve hill

Sandi won’t be there so Darcy needs to carry the ruck all year.

The likes of Blakely Ryan Wilson conca etc are probably their peak now.

Where is the improvement coming from?

We had a small window that I think is going to close if we don’t make it next year.
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Raglan Matt Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #158

Raglan Matt
Ricco, the problem with the window, is that it has not opened wide enough to shove Lyon, Rosich & co out of it.
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Drubbing Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #159

Drubbing
Hey Noddy, I know CEOs that acknowledge the people assisting them are more capable in their own expertise than they are. They don't get to be 'wrong', becasue they employ good staff and direct them well. They aren't autocratic.

I'm not naive enough to think Rosich would come out and say he's wrong about anything. I've met him and argued with him over the Jumper fiasco. Backing down is not something he will ever contemplate.

Sacking Lyon would amount to the same thing - that's why he'll never do it.
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hypen Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #160

hypen
And this is the bit where I'd like to say Drubbing is wrong, the board will make that call on Lyon.

But the board will do what Rosich wants, so it's a closed loop at present. The great concern is this garbage - there's no end in sight.
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pollyanna Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #161

pollyanna
What does Trent Cooper do in the off season?
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Matebe Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #162

Matebe
He probably puts a lot of planning and new ideas into the upcoming season.
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mackenzie Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #163

mackenzie
The reality is that Ross is better read of the media than he is of the unfolding game in front of him.

The sad thing is, the club see more value in that than the on field results.

Ross will only get the toss when the media put him under some real pressure. The bad part is, the media also have contracts with him to do interviews and there is a good to even chance there’s a few clauses in there to keep things civilised regarding hard questions.

All he has to prepare for is a 5 minute post game presser, get through that without stepping on his d!ck and he’s home free.

Now that’s an insurance policy.

He’s locked in till end of play next year, unless some other clown is desperate for something that he may offer. Not sure what that is, but as a club we should probably start marketing it for him.
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Noddy Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #164

Noddy
Not backing down ....seems like he’d have something else n common with a lot of people?
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Quasimodo Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #165

Quasimodo
Not sure but you may find our board actually don't have the power to sack the coach, this may rest with their only shareholder the WAFC and we all know the faceless and some not quite faceless men that run that.

In 1986 WA football made a deal with the devil and we have been paying for it ever since unless you are a Subiaco or West Coast supporter.

Hint look at the share registry of defunct Indian Pacific Ltd, then you realise who runs football in this state. 7 media says it is Nisbett, he is their puppet.
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mackenzie Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #166

mackenzie
Just thinking, maybe the club are trying to think of a classy way to send Ross off with dignity after the good service he has given the club.

It’s just a thought, but maybe Johnson and D Pearce could hold a press conference and announce it for him.
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Jooter Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #167

Jooter
Continuing in my stream-of-conciousness about RoLy’s coaching position and who will coach Freo in 2020, a year the club has earmarked as a return to serious relevancy. In a previous post, I suggested that some of the Derby fiasco could be interpreted as the players were somehow distracted and I intimated that this may have been because of jungle drums rumbling about RoLy not seeing out his full term at Freo. Then, Michael Barlow came out after the Derby and said (paraphrasing) that RoLy is definitely the right coach, if not at Freo, then elsewhere. While some who saw the picture of Tucker giving the stink-eye in Lyon’s direction (while Lyon was yawning) as contempt, it might also be interpreted that he was one who might be mad if Lyon left after promising to stay.

Plus, all the RoLy comments like “I’ve never been coaching better” and how “I’m the right man for the job (at Freo)” some may interpret as him being arrogant towards Freo fans. I see it as a way of telling potential suitors (like Carlton) that he’s available and confident in his abilities, a sort of job application through press conferences, especially with his recent “I’ve never asked for an extension” comment. And, now, Thursday’s Worst headline “Fremantle club president Dale Alcock can’t guarantee Ross Lyon’s will coach beyond 2020 after Dockers supporters call for his axing.” This has all of the hallmarks of Lyon’s last season at St Kilda before being poached by Freo. Lyon’s rationale was the Saints (a truly dysfunctional club who consistently makes wrong decisions) didn’t move strongly enough to offer him an extension, and Freo basically headhunted him for the job. Think Carltank; this is right up their alley: a young but potentially excellent list, a rich club, and a club who is prone to making the bold throw-cash-at-what-you-want kind of move. I’ve rated Carlton for a while, despite their recent poor form, and what Judd’s said in the past few days about Teague being a coach “with training wheels” cements in my mind that they’re after an experienced coach, a defensive-minded coach, one with runs on the board who has taken lists to a GF.

The other thing that I’ve been saying all along to the RoLy haters (especially the ones who organised and signed the petitions - there must be at least 2,000 of you): be careful of what you wish for in Lyon leaving: senior coaches with experience are thin on the ground (Longmire probably stays at the Swans, and do you really want B. Scott, Bolton, and potentially Pyke if he gets turfed out by the Crows), and the assistants gunning for senior roles include (spectacularly) failed past coaches (Voss), long-time assistants (Robert Harvey), newbie assistants (Longmuir, Cox). And, forget about the fantasy coach: no amount of money will move Clarkson or B. Kirk westwards.

Finally, don’t forget Sumich, who has been gunning for a WA-only senior job (didn’t go for senior jobs over east, and overlooked by the Weagles - their fans hated the idea of Sumich being their coach) and unwilling to move east for other assistant coaching roles that might have increased his profile. Instead, he coached a young WA state team that won a championship, a long, long way from an AFL gig. That Hagdorn and Hardie are his biggest boosters and coincidentally leaders in the sack-Lyon brigade rings alarm bells for me; who’s providing H & H with gossip-type intel about FFC? Sumich's attitude is that he wants FFC or bust.

The thing I go on are formal pronouncements from Lyon’s former players (Barlow, Pav, McPharlin, Spurr de Santo, Riewoldt) that he’s the best coach they’ve had. Add Son Son to this list as well, along with Hamling (Hamling on Lyon: He’s been brilliant. He’s taught me a lot in my three years here. I’d love to have him around for as long as we can).

I reckon if Carlton make Lyon an offer you can't refuse, then he's got a tough choice to make, which sounds facetious, but isn't meant to be. He'll go. (This is different to Freo making Clarkson an offer he can't refuse; Clarkson will stay).

The best case scenario? I reckon it's that Freo continue improving in 2019, be a very strong challenger for a premiership in 2020, and some coaching stability ensues.
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pollyanna Sack the coach 4 years 9 months ago #168

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Don't be scared of change Jooter - there can't be an improvement without it.
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