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TOPIC: Lobb Season Over

Snail Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #71

Snail
Timmy English would be a tasty option........trade in Roly .....deal done!!
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shane Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #72

shane
Tasty?

Rory Lobb - Foot - 6 weeks
Stephen Hill - Calf - 2 weeks
Tim English - Basting - 3-4 hours
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Snail Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #73

Snail
He's at his best when his coach says well done..........there I said it
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Morgan Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #74

Morgan
Have they figured out a better way to measure firmness of the ground? Last time I checked they were still using a penetrometer, which is basically Tony Grieg’s key test of the grass without any consideration of the soil below.
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rogerrocks Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #75

rogerrocks
You'd think engineers would be all over this. Someone at UWA or Curtin should make it a masters project for engineering students. Exactly what measure of hardness is best for assessing suitability of sport on it, and what is an acceptable range. Then get out there in all sorts of different conditions and see how the ground measures up.

On the plus side, I imagine it will be pretty soft this Saturday.
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larkin Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #76

larkin
bloody colin
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Raglan Matt Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #77

Raglan Matt
Morgan, to my understanding, penetromoters do measure soil compaction and hardness. Unless Gil & co have gone for the cheap Chinese knock-off in return for an AFL game in Shanghai of course.
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shane Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #78

shane
I'm not sure how far down you need to measure for the impact of a person.

It was good to hear Ross Lyon saying they'll be look at a range of other factors as well (including footwear! Woo!). The AFL have no reason not to have listened to expert opinion when they devices their policy on ground firmness and the ground meets those requirements. The ground was built with that policy in mind and I find it hard to believe everyone would have gotten it completely wrong, it was a major project under a lot of scrutiny and everything else about the stadium construction seems to have been managed really well.

But it's the new thing and it's someone else's thing so it's the easiest thing to blame.

What we've also got is Fremantle training at a training ground. I'm not sure a local council rec centre pool would be build to the same standard as a billion dollar stadium. I'm not sure where the Eagles have been training but even if they stayed at Subiaco, I doubt it's as well maintained as it was. No one seems to have pointed the finger there.

You've also got more and more running in games of football and there seems to be a push for running capacity over every other aspect of fitness. Seems more likely that clubs are getting the balance wrong as they push closer and closer to what the gym blokes think is peak fitness and it's pushing bodies beyond their breaking point.

Maybe they need to prioritise getting the maximum number of players through to the end of the season unscathed and finish the year off strongly instead of finishing games off strongly.
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Morgan Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #79

Morgan
One thing worth looking into is whether our playing and training grounds are too hard for 90kg blokes to run on for 15km at a time. At the moment that is measured by dropping a narrow metal rod into the ground. It just doesn't seem very scientific to me, and when people who spend a lot of their lives running on footy ovals suggest Perth Stadium is too hard, I'm inclined to believe them.
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shane Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #80

shane
I can't believe you just dissed an actual tool of measurement as unscientific and then doubled down on anecdotal evidence.
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Morgan Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #81

Morgan
A penetrometer measures how hard it is to push a 5mm spike into the soil. I'm sure it does a great job of measuring that. My question is whether it’s a good tool for measuring what it is like for running over the top of the grass - where most players spend their time.

For example, if the grass is a bit longer, I imagine it gives a bit of cushioning. What is the relationship between grass length and a penetrometer reading? Does a 5mm spike feel that extra cushioning the way a 90kg bloke running on size 16 boots for 2 hours feels it?

If two local AFL clubs, a handful of visiting clubs and even teams from different codes like rugby league say the ground is firmer than they are used to, what explanation do you offer for their shared delusion?
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shane Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #82

shane
And they measure rainfall with a little cup. That doesn't mean it's not scientific.

The AFL have a policy. I presume they didn't just draw it up on the back of a coaster. I don't know, they could have I suppose.

But I would assume they consulted with people who know stuff about stuff like this, and I presume the AFLPA gave it the once over to make sure it took into account the well being of players. There's a reasonable chance that the AFL's insurance provider even signed off on it. The ground was built to meet that standard and it does.

I know they use the penetrometer to get a reading of race tracks and you can tell double check how well they called it based on the speed at which the horses run. It's a perfectly reasonably thing, calling it a metal spike as a way of ignoring it and then telling me that unamed players say they think it's a bit hard so the metal spike is wrong is nonsense.

The playing surfaces are actually the only thing we know meet a published standard of any kind.

We also know that the clubs have control over how much a player runs. If they thought it was too hard and they're pulling up sore, and we know that over running on a sore foot will lead to a fracture but the clubs keep running them anyway, how is that the fault of the ground. The ground was blamed after the fact. They should have seen it coming if it's so clearly the surface.

Normally you just put it down to bad luck. How scientific is that.
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larkin Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #83

larkin
I'm not sure how much of the stadium you have seen Shane – but there are design blots all over the place – though to be fair they got a lot right but its far from perfect. As for the surface there have been issues at another ground built over a car park. Its not a new thing. For us the problem seems to be the tall blokes of late. Dunno if they are all related in full or in part to the surface.
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pollyanna Lobb Season Over 4 years 9 months ago #84

pollyanna
If one or more of those Origin blokes go down in a couple of weeks there will be a lot of noise about the surface.
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