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hypen You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #71

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I don't think the AFL has communicated anything on this abuse issue cause they don't know what or how to communicate.

They'll do what they always do establish the precedent by being punitive.
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Morgan You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #72

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I don’t know how much ‘the AFL’ is driving this. The ‘maggot’ guy was banned by his own cheer squad, and the ‘bald-headed [something]’ guy was pointed out by an umpire to security.

They are probably are trying to grapple with what is and isn’t appropriate the way people on here are.
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Drubbing You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #73

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When Adam Goodes rightly complained about racial abuse, there were plenty of people around who could point out the culprit and confirm what was said.

That wasn't done here. If the man called him a flog, and nothing else, he wasn't far wrong.
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Morgan You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #74

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But there were people who heard ‘p***’ (see the link I posted earlier). Maybe Nicholls misheard him - we know he doesn’t have the best hearing - but if he did he wasn’t the only one.
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The_Yeti You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #75

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It's certainly not as difficult as you're are trying make it, morgan. Perhaps if you had a coherent argument to put, you wouldn't need to muddle the situation to be able to arguie against everybody.

It's very simple. If a specific behaviour is now unacceptable conduct at the footy, then that standard needs to be applied to everybody, not just those who leave their seat to shout something.

If you going to base your sanctions on whether the umpire takes offence or not, you are creating a minefield that could never be reasonably enforced. If booing an umpire or player is now unacceptable conduct, if calling an umpire or player a maggot or a flog or indeed any form of negative feedback is going to get you banned, then why is it ok for a bloke the third tier but not for a bloke near the boundary.

Offending an umpire's sensibilities has not yet been a criminal offence or even a public order offence.

You started this by saying 'it sounds like the bloke deserved to be turfed' (your words) and you've argued towards that point ever since and then you lecture the rest on not knowing what was actually said.

What is known is that people were tweeting 'flog' as the comment not any homophobic abuse and the security guards were aware of what was said. So, your spurious claims aside that it's worth ejection when it's near the race but not in the stands, the use of the word flog is hardly significant when you have to acknowledge the swearing and abuse that goes on among the crowd.

If you set the bar that high in relation to crowd behaviour, you'll end up with empty stands. It's absurd as was Nicholl's behaviour last night
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SaltyDog You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #76

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DANG IT. I knew it was gonna be Dunstall. Should have had the nurries to call it
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Blue1red1 You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #77

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Well this is Awkward, Is Nicholls trying to take Margetts precious mantle? Just our luck that we have Margetts umpiring us on Saturday,I bet he will be looking for me in my Anchor Jumper and will get me turfed for calling him a "Green Margett."

Seriously, Where will this insanity stop? If I yell "Ball" Then "Oh you blind idiot" in frustration, will I be tossed out for referencing someone with a disability? Cmon.
"Princess" "Clown" "Dipstick" "Spineless" are they all banned now too?

I'm really surprised Nichols heard everything so clearly. Being on the field a few times and coming up the races for a few games of little league, the noise is so loud you can hardly hear the person next to you yelling.

Anyway, If giving someone a spray was a problem, then I'm pretty sure most of our AFL coaches would be getting tossed out of a game every year.

This is not the tennis! I'm pretty sure there is not a message at the beginning of the game saying: Crowd hush now, serious footy business about to begin. Next we will be getting emails and messages in the record saying the following words are prohibited and shall not be used at the footy. Problem is the Record will look like an old yellow pages and the cost would be so high no one would buy it, and you would have them confiscated on the way just in just in case you threw it at an umpire in frustration. [shane/]

I blame the players for this! All this started with "You talk like a girl" and progressed to "Cheat". Then when a Fan mimics their football idol they get tossed out [Shane/]

Seriously, I'm pretty sure you would know that as a Footy umpire you'll cop some flack, some creative, some insulting, put your ear phones in and just get on with it and toughen up, Go drink some Milo and reinforce your spine and intestinal fortitude.
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From the outer You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #78

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I have enjoyed the sport of AFL and from an early age have enjoyed watching the sport at the elite level. One thing I have been surprised at though has been the way players have been allowed and lauded for being disrespectful to those that umpire the game. For many who umpire it is a voluntary commitment or it is big time commitment to train physically, mentally and technically to be able to ensure the game is played with the written laws and spirit of the game. The use of the word maggot, cheat and put derogatory put downs are all too familiar from the players of the game as well as the many faceless supporters who will boo, swear and even threaten umpires. Often these behaviours have been regarded as part of the game and people are entitled to it as part of purchasing a ticket to the game. The bottom line is that it is not acceptable and this week when the AFL showed signs of taking a stance against aggression towards umpires, I was very pleased. It is important to note that umpiring a game of AFL is so very difficult with high levels of fitness, judgement, understanding of rules which are changing constantly. The umpires are also scrutinised in depth after every game and maintaining a spot on the roster is a week to week proposition. It is interesting that statistics show that umpires make approx. 1% mistakes of the decisions they make. A team will make up to an average of 40% mistakes in the course of a match.
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hypen You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #79

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Well said. It's always interested me that people feel because they have paid their money to be at the footy they in some way have a right to behave in a way they wouldn't dare anywhere else.

I'd be one of them too.
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Drubbing You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #80

Drubbing
If the AFL was so hot on 'protecting' umpires, they wouldn't have taken money from OPSM to sponsor them, and publicly reinforce the views of the average punter.

But it was probably an awful lot of money.
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #81

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That's fair enough but that's a separate issue and if people can no longer carrying on like flogs at the football two things need to happen.

Firstly the AFL have to educate people that they can no longer do it and that they will be removed from the ground. They have to spell out what you can do and what you can't do that last week you could do. People don't yell at cricket umpires, even when they're terrible because that's not considered acceptable behaviour but at the football it has been allowed to go on for years. They do, however, taunt bowlers standing on the boundary line. Because that's always been considered acceptable.

People line up and boo umpires every week, it's weird but it happens. People shout out at footballers from the stands. People sing songs and taunt and mock. Clubs have even been known to go opposition players through the banners.

If these things can't be done then the AFL should make it known before they start turfing someone who didn't know any better.

Secondly they have to be prepared to accept that when you remove the barracker from the game and replace them with the spectator, you will lose people from the game and you lose income from the game. It's the deep seated belief that you are part of the game, that you can shout what you feel, and that you can ride the glory of your team kicking more points than their team.

It is what has given all the people out on that ground the ability to earn a exceptional living from playing a silly game. The game itself is often tired and boring. As a spectacle it can put you to sleep. The intangible thing comes from barracking is why it's a national past time. Not because they work really hard or get really fit or one of the 17 coaches comes up with a brilliant new zone defence arrangement.

You, know. Except for the people who just go to drink beer and act smug around the general public.

And one more thing. If we're going into this new world of better behaviour. How about both teams get their colours in lights and their own song after they kick a goal, instead of just the home team. It offends me.
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freo00 You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #82

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Go Sydney !
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hypen You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #83

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Being abusive is not barracking Shane.
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jezzaargh You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 10 months ago #84

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but, Hypen, where precisely is the line that separates them?
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