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TOPIC: You're A Bald Headed Flog

Corporal Agarn You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #57

Corporal Agarn
Meanwhile in last night's game which was up for grabs until the last couple of minutes, the free kick count was 24-7.

There is no way that should be acceptable but knowing what has happened previously it will overlooked or somehow justified while the bald headed flog comment will get plenty of air time.
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #58

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Dermott Brereton?
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The_Yeti You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #59

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If this is going to be the new standard of crowd behaviour that will be enforced from this time onwards, then what the hell will they do for weasles games?

At the first boo of an umpire, are they going to suddenly empty the stadium? Will everybody who calls the umps d***heads get ejected?

If you apply this standard to everybody equally, you'll wind up with empty stadiums by week 3 of every season.

The alternative of course is do what they've done for the last 150 years and ignore it
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Morgan You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #60

Morgan
But it's not binary yeti. Don't you think there is something different about the bloke standing menacingly over the umpires race yelling in the umpire's face to the bloke in the third tier booing? Like I said, I don't know where the line is, but there's a couple of standard deviations between those two things. To say you shouldn't deal with one because of the other seems like a silly argument to me.
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Davo You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #61

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I wonder if the Carlton fan would have been kicked out if he just shouted, "you're a flog"?
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #62

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That's the whole guts of it, Morgan. People do this every week. They get up and stand at the race and they boo and shout at the umpires as they come off. They've done it for a long time. So the AFL said - that's not the line.

Yesterday the line was drawn by Mathew Nicholls and this gentleman, who we all know is more than likely a flog, but who bought a ticket to go and do what he always does, was accosted by security, photographed and removed from the venue. No refund, no right of reply, no explanation of why the rules changed this weekend.

And presumably the umpire can't hear the person in the third tier but there are a lot of people who sit on the boundary line who like to be vocal in their thoughts of players and umpires. Do we turf them one by one or explain to them the paradigm shift.
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The_Yeti You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #63

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But it is binary, Morgan.

Applying different standards to the same behaviour depending on seating position is a silly argument. That is not how rules are supposed to be applied.

A standard has been set where an umpire can point to a person and have them ejected without that person having any chance to defend himself. It's all very well talking to witnesses afterwards and getting the facts but the fan has been ejected and lost his money. You don't get a do over when you find that he didn't do anything worth ejection.

Also there are security guards all over the stadiums. Are we now going to eject everybody who swears, calls the umpires cheats or flogs, boos an umpire or an opposition player? Restricting that penalty to only people that the umpires can identify is a nonsense argument
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Corporal Agarn You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #64

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So if Ablett, who seems to be booed every week now, was shouted at by someone leaning over the fence and calling him a bald headed flog, would that supporter be ejected? I'd bet not. Double standards.
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teasea You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #65

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and boy oh boy, I can just imagine the non stop booing Nichols is going to get from now on
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freo00 You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #66

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Jason Dunstall
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Morgan You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #67

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First, it's worth remembering that we don't know what was said, or how it was said. Other than the bald-headed bit, the rest is disputed. So we might all be jumping a shadows a bit.

I do think there is something different between booing in the stands and yelling at someone's face. I suspect most understand that distinction.

It's an interesting question whether abusing an umpire from 50m away in the stands or 5m away to someone's face is the same thing, or if there's a distinction between yelling from your seat in the first row versus moving to the race to yell as someone leaves the arena. I know it's a subtle distinction, but I think those things are different because they affect the target differently, and in respect of abusing someone that's what's important. If I rant and rave in my living room who cares? If I do the same in the stand it might affect those supporters around me, but if I call someone a maggot or a bald-headed [something] to their face then that more profoundly affects that person, and I would know that when I chose to say it.

I know people who view the world differently might think that it's the act itself that should be viewed, no matter where it occurs, not the effect on the person on the receiving end, but I just don't see things that way.

I agree that Nicholls would have heard a lot in his time, but to me that raises the question of why he reacted this way this time, and not the 350 other games this happened? Perhaps what was said (or the way it was said) was worse than usual, perhaps it was arbitrary, or he's suddenly got a thin skin, or perhaps he was emboldened by a new direction from the AFL. I have no idea, but as usual, I'm just don't understand how in the absence of any evidence people can reach for the conclusion it's an issue that resides with the target of the abuse or some sort of AFL overreach.
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #68

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Classic Morgan.

"Here are all these arguments why I think it was ok....but you lot don't have any evidence so your opinions are invalid. "

From what we do know, in the absence of any evidence the man was essentially arrested and removed from the game he bought a ticket to.
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Morgan You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #69

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Can I have a stab at what I think classic Shane is?

"Everyone is an idiot except me."

It takes too long to get players back without knowing the nature of the injury or the rehab. The football world should have done more for Bomber Thompson without knowing what people who know him and care about him actually did or didn't do. The umpire was guilty of massive overreach despite not knowing what was said to him. That's just in the last few days. Is there anyone or anything over which you won't cast scornful judgement from up on high, even when you are a few steps removed?

It must be comforting to have that innate sense of being right about everything, but it feels arrogant to me. There's a difference between 'here's all the arguments why I think it was ok' and 'everyone else is wrong'.
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teasea You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 years 9 months ago #70

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Wow that's good coming from you Morgan
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