TOPIC: You're A Bald Headed Flog

pollyanna You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #225

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Unless they're active players in whatever is going on, keep them out of the way and largely out of sight. You'd get thrown out you know Roger for dancing on a table - bloody miscreant.
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #226

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Don't fall for management's trick that the workers are to blame.
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Dockermus You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #227

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This discussion has been going on in the media for days now, without providing answers. That chronic attention seeker, Geoff Kennett, almost derailed it completly with his racist observations. There's been so much said that the initial incident which sparked the controversy is becoming overlooked. Let's try to remember that it began with an over-excited, possibly aggressive, supporter choosing to loudly call out a follicly challenged umpire as a "bald headed flog", a charge that may, or may not, have been well deserved. The bloke did supposedly offer some proof for his assertion, claiming that "you can't hand ball one-handed", but that wasn't enough to stop him from being unceremoniously thrown out of the ground.

This incident seems to have coincided with the beginnings of an obvious "crack down", mainly in Melbourne, by private security staff (employed by a company called AIG) on alleged miscreant behaviours by footy fans, such as standing up and yelling a bit too loudly.

Questions we should be getting answers to are:

Is Gillon McLachlan correct in his assertion that fans going to the footy are not feeling safe anymore? Where's the evidence that fan behaviour has deteriorated so far?
Who actually made the decision and instructed the AIG security staff to be more interventionist, officious and overbearing?
Who actually employs and takes responsibility for AIG security staff? What levels of training are they provided with?
What guidelines are these AIG security staff working to, in recognising "unacceptable behaviour"?
Did these instructions/ guidelines come direct from the AFL (as owners of at least one of the major stadiums in Melbourne) or was it a unilateral, independent decision made by stadium management?
And, if it was an independent decision reached by the various stadium managements, who communicated the decision, that enabled seemingly similar, coordinated, actions by security staff in every other stadium, across the country?

The truth is out there.
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moodindigo You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #228

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Am I the only person whose instinctive reaction to being policed by Behavioural Awareness Officers is to ensure my Behaviour is henceforth a little louder and more demonstrative? If other people have the same reaction, doesn't that suggest the whole crackdown is doomed to be counterproductive? See Shane's point way above somewhere in this thread: management doesn't understand the workers or the fans.
Final question: can I get a casual B.A.O. job for the Derby?
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The_Yeti You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #229

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Just to add to this, the Carlton fan marched out for calling Nicholls a bald headed flog has commenced legal action against the AFL.

Apparently, he claims they were telling porkies the whole time. He has denied running across 2 bays and further claims that he never left his seat in tier 1. Now he wants those statements withdrawn and a public apology issued.

I don't know who is telling the truth here but the AFL have acted just a bit iffy throughout this entire process. They started with the suggestions to the media that the fan made a homophobic insult to Nicholls but when witnesses started disputing that claim, it was allowed to quietly disappear.

The AFL also claimed they didn't order any crackdown on patrons and it was all done by Marvell Stadium (owned by the AFL) management, but unless the Marvell Stadium managers are responsible for every ground in Australia (they aren't) it's hard to explain why the heavy oversight by BAOs have occurred at all games.

Add in Kim Jong Gill's apology / non-apology about the heavy handed response and it is easy to see why people lack faith in what the AFL has been saying.

Let's see if this bloke gets his apology
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Drubbing You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #230

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These low paid security dudes had less than a week to initiate the new approach. How comprehensive do you think the training was on what was acceptable and what wasn't?

As usual the AFL applies instant, heavy-handed measures to subjective criteria, that have no thought behind them whatsoever, and then wonder why it all goes pear shaped.

Then they start thinking - about how to limit the damage and find someone else to blame.
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #231

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Unless Marvell has significantly less cameras than the MCG and Optus Stadium, the security footage should clear it all up pretty quickly.
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The_Yeti You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #232

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Shane, that point was raised by the Carlton supporter.

He challenged the AFL to provide the security footage of him running across 2 bays but so far they haven't been able to find it....or something
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shane You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #233

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How much fun are his lawyers going to have with that.
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Dockermus You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #234

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Sometime soon there'll be an announcement from a stadium management 'spokesperson' that the footage has been (accidentally) deleted in an 'oversight' or due to an unexpected, unforeseen breakdown in normal administrative process, or some other such guff. Nothing to see here, they'll say, everyone please move on.
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Morgan You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #235

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I'm not sure 'commenced legal action' is quite correct Yeti. He engaged a lawyer to write a letter to the AFL apologising for the 'bald-headed flog' slur (including the offer of a face-to-face apology), and asked that the warning he received be rescinded.

If Nicholls got the whole thing wrong that seems like a pretty good result for everyone.
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rogerrocks You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #236

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Dockermus, you ask: "Is Gillon McLachlan correct in his assertion that fans going to the footy are not feeling safe anymore?"

And the answer is yes, I'm scared that I'll be in trouble with security staff for barracking in the same way that I've done for the last 16 years. At least on the weekend I'll only be shouting at the tele.
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rogerrocks You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #237

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And a quick anecdote from a game a few weeks ago. Family with kids sitting in front of me. I yell, "Carn Freo" very loud. Little kid looks around, surprised. A few minutes later, I do it again, and he looks round again. When I do it the third time, he joins in - big smile on his face. He's learned an important lesson, that footy is one place where you can enjoy shouting as loud as you can.
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The_Yeti You're A Bald Headed Flog 4 months 1 day ago #238

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Ok then, morgan, he's engaged a lawyer and given the AFL the opportunity to withdraw it's claims but not legal action. Really? Just because court action hasn't yet commenced does not mean that legal action has not commenced. An offer by the aggrieved party via his legal representative is often the first step in legal action, as you should know.

Either way, you ignored most of what's taken place.

He's claimed that he has been 'vilified and defamed' and called on the AFL to withdraw the claims made against him of running across 2 bays. He's asked for the AFL to produce security footage of him running across 2 bays which the AFL appears unable to do....or perhaps unwilling to look.

He has offered to apologise to Nicholls as part of the process of the AFL retracting it's claims and the AFL issuing an apology. He has NOT engaged a lawyer to write to the AFL apologising for the flog comment.

You also failed to take into account the AFL's innuendo about homophobic comments that the AFL quietly dropped when 3AW interviewed witnesses that claimed it was not true. Then again, we know your opinion of witnesses.

You also failed to talk about the overreaction by the AFL and the imposition of an intimidation regime on the punters .

The AFL has not acted in a manner that gives them any credibility throughout any of this and the Carlton supporter in question has had independent witnesses support his version of events. The AFL has Nicholls and nothing.
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