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TOPIC: Bolton Sacked

hypen Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #43

hypen
You'd get the first two real cheap Yeti.

I reckon you get all three for under 150k per annum and two mobiles. Drummy doesn't understand the technology and can hardly speak anyway, won't need one.
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Davo Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #44

Davo
OMG - throw in Matthew Primus as well.

I just want a coach that knows success and lets the players play.

Jarrod Schofield will do me.
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The_Yeti Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #45

The_Yeti
Oh sure, hypen, we'd get them cheap but I reckon the only way we'd get the cup handed to us is via a sympathy vote.

You knopw thats not even a KMart coaching panel. That panel is from way down the back of the $2 shop.

Besides having Crazy Vossy as a coach is nuts. You'd have to appoint him as your list manager, surely
Egurls Suck!
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larkin Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #46

larkin
There is another Bolton who deserves the chop.
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purple kit Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #47

purple kit
Given Brad Lloyd has worked closely with Lyon for a number of years, I can this going either of two ways:
i) Lloyd has bought into Lyon’s BS and there’s already a verbal 5 year contract for 1.2mil per year waiting for the right time to announce or
ii) Lloyd knows how good the players are that he recruited in the last 5 years and thinks Lyon is a dud for not having them in the top 8 for the last two years.
I’m hoping for scenario i) but ii) is more likely.
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darthmarto Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #48

darthmarto
I can't imagine Carlton would seriously want Ross (I've had a sleep and a few coffees and firing again) as his biggest (arguably) weakness seems to be his lack of ability to develop younger players, which Carlton seem to be heavy with.

His defensive focus might stop Carlton's heavy losses but wouldn't think he'd stop their losses in the short or medium term. If the Carlton crowds are down and impacting the club's bottom line, can't imagine getting Ross' less than attractive style would do anything but keep the punters away.

I'd imagine they've sounded out Paul Roos but he'd be my go-to guy if I had anything to do with Carlton's internal decision making processes.
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Snail Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #49

Snail
Knowing Carlton they'll appoint anyone with the surname Silvagni!
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shane Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #50

shane
What is it about Roos you like? His 52% win record? His one premiership in 12 years? His ability to turn every conversation back to what Sydney are doing? His performance taking Melbourne from near the bottom of the ladder to slightly less near the bottom of the ladder?

Any club who goes with someone on the Rodney Eade branch of coaching is doomed to sit in the bottom half of the ladder for the next decade.
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The_Yeti Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #51

The_Yeti
Can we tell Carlton that his real name is Ross Silvagni?
Egurls Suck!
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darthmarto Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #52

darthmarto
Better win / loss ratio than Bolton ... reckon there'd be plenty of Carlton fans tickled pink by 52%!

Don't think Carlton will chase an assistant, they'll be after a former senior coach with some success under their belt. Not too many of those spring to mind ... assuming they don't pry someone out of their current senior coaching role.
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Detox Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #53

Detox
Jarred Schofield might be good but just because you coached Subi to flags doesn't mean that your going to be a good AFL coach. Remember Scotty Watters?
Justin Longmuire or Blake Carracella might be a bit ahead of Schofield at this stage.
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pollyanna Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #54

pollyanna
I'm not a big fan of his coaching, but Michael Voss is the guy Carltoon need in the short term (3 or so years). The playing group and the membership need a no nonsense coach with a pig headed approach to working with talent. They've got lots of cash and a very promising list - just keep Voss well clear of recruiting, commit to 2 years of the draft and they'll be mid table within a year or two. Then bring in an innovator to scale it up.

Hypen is partially right - clubs need to rethink the long term genius syndrome, it's become dated and inflexible. Rarely can an established coach modify their beliefs to read an evolving game that, more often than not, leaves them grasping at straws in a couple of years. Get coaches for no longer than 5 years, read the field and replace them with someone capable of impacting the way the game changes. That's what Clarkson's advantage has been, he will come up with something that leaves everyone else wondering how to adjust. But he's starting to shoot a lot of blanks - if I had to get someone from the existing bunch I would go with Chris Scotty or that Hinkley bloke at Port, not Clarkson.
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Morgan Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #55

Morgan
I agree that the job of Head Coach in the AFL has become too onerous for any one person. I think back to James Hird’s time at Essendon: the team was playing well, and he seemed to have the trust and admiration of the playing group, but he wasn’t across the details of the entire football department so when an element of the club was pushing past the boundaries of legal and ethical behaviour he didn’t provide the necessary oversight. No-one did. It torpedoed the club for a decade.

My uninformed view from the outside is that the best structure would be to divide the responsibilities along the following lines:

Football Manager – as Shane suggests, I think this person should oversee everything other than pure coaching and strategy.
Head Coach – manages the end-to-end strategy, works closely with the players and is the leader of the coaches.
Captain – I think they should have a bit more say on gameday on the field, and work more closely with the Head Coach.
List Manager – I think they should have a slightly elevated role – probably closer to the decision-making power of the current Football GM - and should probably sit outside the coaching structure so they can make better long-term decisions.

I’d tend towards a more senior presence as the Football Manager, and lean a little younger with the Head Coach. I think given how closely they’d be working together you would almost need them to come as a package deal and be hired and fired together. If you put the Head Coach’s position in the hands of the Football Manager it is going to make that a very fraught relationship. I think that’s probably why it doesn’t happen now - no driven and competitive Head Coach-in-waiting will want to subject themselves to all the scrutiny of the gig when so much of performance of the team rests in another person’s hands, especially when they also have the chance to be scapegoated when things go badly.

Thinking about Freo’s next appointment, you’d love to get someone like Brett Ratten to be the Football Manager, and someone like Justin Longmuir to be the Head Coach.

I think at some point a club will end up splitting the roles, but I’m not sure Freo has the cache to be the first.
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Raglan Matt Bolton Sacked 4 years 10 months ago #56

Raglan Matt
Morgan, your argument is predicated on your assumption that Hird knew nothing about the "supplements", despite using them himself.
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