TOPIC: Midfield Worries

Morgan Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #15

It’s been a great effort by Brayshaw to come back so strongly after Gaff’s violent attack, and you can’t say he doesn’t put his head over the ball and run all day. He’s a ripper. But I reckon he could use a spell. Give him a few weeks in the twos, and maybe even a week off, and help him freshen up. I also think he needs to take stock of his disposal a bit. He’s a dead-set shocker in front of goal, and I reckon he’s in his own head a bit. I’d play him half-forward at Peel for a couple of weeks, and see a few shots go through the sticks.

Cerra has been disappointing. I thought he might grow into a Luke Hodge type reading the ball from the backline and moving into the midfield (I still do), but he’s just not impacting the game. I don’t think that’s his fault; we have a well-balanced backline and he’s a bit of a fifth wheel. Give him Brayshaw’s role while he’s back at Peel.

Hill started the season well and has fallen off a cliff. I suspect we’re just not getting the ball to the outside as much, but he doesn’t look like he’s covering the ground as well to me. I’m not sure that can be pinned on Lyon’s game style when all he has to do is run around all day. That’s what he’s built to do. His tackling numbers are the same as they have always been, for example. Perhaps he’s got a niggle, or perhaps he’s just having a dip in form.

Langdon is the concern for me. He’s a turnover waiting to happen. Early last season he was a monty to slot a goal on the run, and now I’m surprised when he hits a target.

I really thought it would be our inside mids that struggled in Neale’s absence, and I thought our outside runners would be a strength. I was wrong about that. It’s asking a lot of Blakely, but perhaps another clean pair of hands matched with good decision making will mean the ball gets to the outside a bit more. I think I might have underestimated how much Neale contributed there. Fyfe and Mundy are great at crashing through, but Neale was an ace at getting the ball to a player out in space.

I'm not worried about Wilson. Opposition teams are wise to lock him down, but that has led to Ryan having a stand-out season. Eventually coaches will focus on Ryan and Wilson will have more space. That's why it's great having them both there.
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Noddy Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #16

Apart from Mundy and Fyfe, we’re lacking strong experienced leadership on the field from the centre forward. Colyer and Conca have not been inspiring to watch and they are two guys who when the going gets tough need to show the way.
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coogeespy Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #17

Like your comments Morgan, do you go to the game? sorry to ask but appears some commentators! dont.
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CaptSnooze Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #18

Awesome backhander there, 'Spy. On Morgs point, Cerra benefited last year from little Lachie running the ball out. A hard act to follow. Can Connor fill that void. I don't mind Hogan having a run through the middle either, when the big guys go off for a rest
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Suker Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #19

Blakely has been coveting a midfield role for years now. He is a determined sort. He will be aggressive at the ball and contest.
Cerra and Brayshaw are 2nd year players! Have they turned 20 yet? Their careers are not marked as failed yet are they?
The trouble with Colyer and Conca, watching only on the box this year, I have no idea where or what they have been instructed to do. So to judge too harshly would be remiss of me. But, they do not appear to be impacting games enough or even providing stability. A dropping will be hard for Ross, after his 1st team claims for all mature recruits...but sooner or later youth needs to be rewarded.
Crowden, Giro, Duman and Blakely in line for inclusion. Cox, Colyer, Conca to be dropped.
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Corporal Agarn Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #20

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Yes I was at the game. Maybe you were and maybe you weren't but there's no denying that neither played well with Brayshaw only getting 10 possessions.
Plus I actually agree with a lot of Morgan said. With regards to Brayshaw though I wouldn't send him back to Peel. I'd prefer to see him rested/managed with a week off. Maybe Cerra the same at some stage.
.I also agree about how poor Langdon's kicking has become, but I'd also say the same about the two youngsters. This could very well get into the often discussed repeated effort vs skill training though.
I do disagree on Wilson though. At the moment he is not showing the attributes we wanted from him. Whether that's the opposition or coach's expectations for him have changed I don't know, but good players and coaches adapt. There'are plenty of attacking half backs at other clubs who haven't appeared to have changed their style as he has. I hope he gets it back because he so attacking and exciting to watch when he's up and going.
Okay lastly Morgan, I agree that Ryan is having a fine year, although he has different role to Wilson as the intercept marker. Also don't see that Ryan's great year needs to be at the detriment of Wilson's form.
Phew, I've just about done a Morgan there myself.
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timmeh Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #21

wow, half the team played their first really bad game for the season and they are done for, straight back to peel never to be seen wearing purple..

Media have commented how fast we have looked this season with our run and carry.. well we looked slow on sunday because the 3 main contributors to that run and carry are hill, langdon and wilson and all 3 had poor games.

still seems to be a disconnect between mids and forwards, or maybe our mids have been under a lot more pressure the past 2 weeks so our entries are terrible..

I expect to see us bounce back next week, for inside mids we have blakely ready and tom north is another option to consider.

Will be interesting to see where valente is at..
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Gerovich Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #22

Timmeh, I haven’t seen anyone written off, never to play again here. But a few are not contributing now - need a run in the twos or a rest. Definitely think this applies to Cerra and Brayshaw, maybe for different reasons. They are both class players, different skill sets, but need a break I think. I expect they will be back better.
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Raglan Matt Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #23

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Wilson's problems have nothing to do with opposition coaches "locking down" on him. He get's the footy, makes his break through half back to the guts, looks up to find a target inside 50 and sees...…. 5 players frantically sprinting away from him across the 50 waving their hands as they all head towards goal and the couple of defenders waiting for them.

While he is thinking "WTF" he is run down and penalised for holding the ball, or is forced to kick sideways 20 meters.
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Corporal Agarn Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #24

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Thought I'd check the stats on some of our midfielders under discussion. I understand that number of disposals does not mean everything and I couldn't find stats on effective kicks or disposal efficiency.
Anyway, 2018 and 2019.
Brayshaw 15.9........16.5
Cerra 13.7.......17.9
Hill 20.7.......22.3
Langdon 22.3.......26.4
Wilson 18.5.......16.6
Banfield 14.6.......15
Tucker 14.3.......14.3
Couple of things, Tucker seems to be a walk up start each week. Does he have a tagging role or something. Is he our Sutcliffe or Sheridan?
Banfield has only ever been given a tagging role or used as a shutdown half forward. Does he deserve a pure midfield role considering he gets the ball as much as Brayshaw and more than Tucker?
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Morgan Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #25

RM, I know players not leading at the ball is your bête noire, but that’s not Wilson’s issue this year. Logically, it can’t possibly be the difference between years given your view there’s no change on that aspect since last year.

I don’t mind you putting your view on our forward structure, but shoehorning it into every thread seems a little obsessive.
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Raglan Matt Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #26

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You will recall, Morgan, comments last year that Wilson was not the same player as at GWS. The great hope this year was that he would have targets coming at him.
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Morgan Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #27

By almost any measure Wilson had a career year last year. He's only marginally down this year (2 fewer touches a game, which is about what he averaged at GWS), and Ryan is well up (4.5 more touches a game).

The biggest statistical drop-off for WIlson is his marking. He's gone from 5.2 to 2.8 marks a game. Interestingly, Ryan, despite improved output and exceptional intercept marking this year has fewer marks this year as well. My guess is that we are more inclined to kick it long out of the backline rather than sideways to each other, and we're much more inclined to use Ryan as the intercept marking option (Ryan's intercepts have increased and Wilson's are down).

There are reasons to be concerned about Freo and its structure, but I'm not sure the backline is a problem at the moment.
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rogerrocks Midfield Worries 9 months 4 days ago #28

So we take fewer marks because we don't chip it around the backline? Teams like Richmond and West Coast take heaps of marks because they love chipping it round in the back line.

A question for the pundits here. Should we start chipping it around the back line more? Thoughts...
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