TOPIC: Injuries?

Corporal Agarn Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #29

Corporal Agarn
As I asked....

i. name a club with more recurring injuries. I gave you some long term ones but no-one matches us.
ii. why do we have so many soft tissue injuries
iii. why do WC continually have less injuries but follow much the same routine as us.
iv. why was there an off season review into medical and fitness team if nothing was wrong.

You've admitted here a number of times before that you are a contrary person and even your friends see it, so as soon as you see something that might just have some basis or facts to it, you can't seem to admit that someone else may just be even partly correct, instead you just revert to norm in that you must disagree or find something to be contrary about.

I think another point to take into account is the fact that Zac Clarke went from recurring injuries to be fixed by a WAFL club. Brady Grey is the same now he is with WC fitness team. Matt De Boer has hardly missed a game since moving to GWS after missing plenty with us before being axed. Same for Haydn Crozier now he's at WB.
Can't all be just coincidental imo.
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Morgan Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #30

I don't think I've admitted to being contrary for the sake of it before - in fact I've refuted it a number of times (and the irony of that isn't lost on me).

I just think our injury management failings are a bit overblown. My sense is that part of that is rooted in the troubles we've had with Mora and Bennell. I'm pretty proud of the club for the way they have given those guys every chance, but if we delisted them a few years earlier I don't think our 'recurrent' injuries would really be different to the norm. In fact, we've had a few success stories. For the most part Sandi was managed through a foot injury that could have ended his career. A Pearce and Fyfe are playing pretty great football after breaking legs. Tabs and Hogan have come back well from tricky foot injuries. Mundy has been managed well.

But you could well be right D12. I reckon we are often in the middle of the pack, but I can't think of too many times we have been at the better end of the scale.

I don't know the answer to those questions CA, but before I was comfortable insinuating that Weber had caused injuries to players, I would probably want to know those answers.
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hypen Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #31

There was something like ten soft tissue injuries three weeks ago: calves, quads and hamstrings. Many young players newish to the system going down: Logue, Switowski, North, Bewley and Valente. And old blokes.

I looked at the injury list of the other clubs at the time and others were averaging four or so soft tissue injuries.

We don't know why. But we're here to talk football and many of us see a coach preoccupied with effort over skill, run over formation.

It fits that we'd have an unmanageable injury list.
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Corporal Agarn Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #32

Corporal Agarn
i guess the club must have insinuated that there was something wrong if they wanted a review into the amount of injuries we continue to have.
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purple kit Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #33

purple kit
I usually stay out of these discussions but I cannot fathom how you could use Fyfe & Pearce as examples of the medical/fitness staff doing a good job, both re-broke their legs in the same spot and took an additional season to get back on the field, Fyfe while playing and Pearce running laps at training!

Stephen Hill is the most troubling for mine, they seem to have no idea how to train him to get better, coupled with the Bennell fiasco and Sandi looking like he may never play again and everything points to serious issues at cockburn central.
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pollyanna Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #34

They messed up Stephen by forcing him to prefer his non-preferred. It stuffed up the balance in his running an his recent injuries have come from kicking with his right on the run. That isn't just a wonky Polly theory by the way.

They wanted a double foot kick and ended up with a host of quad, calf and groin problems. Poor kid.
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Raglan Matt Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #35

Raglan Matt
Stephen Hill is the most troubling injury, he played for many seasons relatively injury free, when allowed to play his natural game, and then hello, have to put effort ahead of results and what happens? he spends the rest of his career either 2 weeks-quad ro TBA-quad. Sandi the same, Ballas the same. And now we see Blakely & co heading down the same slippery slide. We do have problems, and nothing is being done to solve them.

On another note, a commentator, ( I think it may have been the much maligned L. Matthews) said during last nights game " It is good to see Collingwood players leading towards the ball carrier, it has been a noticeable fault with a lot of teams over recent years that their forwards don't lead at the ball carrier" or words to that effect.
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cletus Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #36

An interesting point to ponder at the end of any coach's career, would be the question :

" How many players did he 'create', vs how many players did he "completely ruin"?

For those those who have coached at a club for more than 5 years, I'd reckon it is be a good measure of a coach's ability, his methods, & his game plan.

How many 'average players' are made into great players.? How many 'good players' went backwards.?

For the exercise, dispensate high draft picks (who would have been good under any coach), and old blokes.

I would say (for example) B. Scott 0, Hinkley +3, C. Scott +5, Clarkson +10, Longmire +4

Then consider historical 'good' longterm coaches ( Sheedy, Matthews, Blight, Pagan, Malthouse(?) Roos(?) )

And then consider all Freo's coaches (albeit some havent coached for 5 yrs.) Neesham, Connelly and Harvey would a be positive. Drummy 0 .

Safe to assume what I reckon RoLy's number will be at the end of it all.....- it ain't positive!
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purple kit Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #37

purple kit
Ballas our with another hammy playing for
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larkin Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #38

Roly is clearly responsible for global warming too. Take for example the amount of gaslighting that goes on in here – and if a tax was applied we could solve the national debt.
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purplepower Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #39

He's not very liked is he
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larkin Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #40

not by some pp. but I have an oil that can fix that. buy two bottles and get the third free.
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cletus Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #41

Well...if he just gave 'em a break from running up, then all the way back for a while; focussed - in fact, 'doubled down' - on skills training; tried a few different things from time to time; and, tried not to 'spin' himself out of trouble at prezza's all the time and simply admitted that his 2005/06 gameplan isnt so successful in 2015-19 and may, in fact, need a bit of a 'introspection'; then, theres half a chance, I - for one - would like the guy.

Its called "trying something different, because I havent had much success doing what I'm doing...."

Quite simple really....
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FD1016 Injuries? 11 months 2 weeks ago #42

And Harley has re-injured his calf.
Is there such thing as a calf transplant?
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