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TOPIC: Forwards make much better backmen.....

Bizkit Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #29

Bizkit
It's a very different thing using McGovern as an example of flexibility. The real question Morgan, is do you send Kennedy to full back because they've lost whatever crab OOFTIT plays tall down back?

Do GWS move Cameron to full back to cover missing tall defenders?

Do Sydney move Franklin to full back to cover missing tall defenders?

The answer is not a chance in hell.

Hogan is flexible and can go into the middle to find the ball but throwing him down back to nullify an opponent is a horrible idea. You may as well throw Fyfe to full back.
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The_Yeti, teasea, R.Lyon said You Beaut

Suker Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #30

Suker
If Hogan is sent back, he may well be assigned an opponent, obviously, but to nullify as in tag and nothing else would be of no benefit to team or him. He is a great mark, can run and is a pretty good field kick. Their forwards may be forced to work to contain his attack from the back. Doesn't have to permanent...just a benefit to team and player.
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Dockermus Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #31

Dockermus
Careful what you suggest - RL may be reading Dockerland, looking for coaching tips....
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CaptSnooze, Suker said You Beaut

Suker Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #32

Suker
As I said, as closed minded a coach as there ever has been.
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Morgan Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #33

Morgan
CA and Bizkit, I think in most circumstances I'd prefer Cox back than Hogan. I think if Cox was going to play as a backman it would be as a marking third tall - a bit like Johnno used to play. I'm not sure if that works as well now with the 6-6-6, I can’t see a good match-up for him on Saturday, and Ryan has excelled as the intercept marker. All that said, I’d start with Pearce on the most dangerous forward, try to get Cox picking up the other tall forward close to goal, and get another defender to follow the other tall forward up the ground. The hope would be that Freo wins enough of the ball, and team defence does enough, that you can keep Hogan forward where he is of most use.

If that didn’t work, we were getting torched in the middle and in defence, and Hogan wasn’t contributing much as a forward, I’d swing Cox forward and put Hogan back to the forward who was playing most up the ground. People often talk about coach’s ‘not having a Plan B’, but I think that’s one of the scenarios and adjustments you could plan for.

PhilGilbert, there are a few other coaches I’d have on the positive list, I decided to just limit it to current AFL coaches. Personally, I’d go after Justin Longmuir, get a very senior assistant (like Brett Ratten), then surround them with younger smart footy people like Michael Barlow where possible. Knowing Freo we would probably get stuck with Simon Lloyd.

Yeti, I agree I probably am a known quantity. I don’t feel the need to admonish people if their optimism is overzealous because I feel like there are enough people on here who will do that. I do bag the club when I feel like it’s deserved (you will have noticed I’m not a fan of Rosich and the broader admin, for example).

I don’t really think you could name half a dozen posters who support Lyon without fail. For example, I said at the time I didn’t think Lyon’s extension was the right thing for the club (I still believe that), but I just don’t think he’s as bad a coach as the sentiment on Dockerland would suggest, or that everything he gets blamed for is fair. My guess is the half-dozen people you might name would feel roughly the same way.
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macdaddy Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #34

macdaddy
Send pinger McCarthy down back.
Hoges has kicked 1 goal so far. Needs a go down back, even if it's just to boil Yeti's blood some more.
PS I seriously doubt hoges will play in the back line. It's all just a big song and dance. Ross bringing the lols. Sign the man up for more years I say
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crumber Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #35

crumber
We’re loaded with tall forwards and not much in the way of fit tall backs. If Hamling doesn’t play then one of the tall forwards has to play back. I cant see McCarthy or Taberner playing back which leaves Cox or Hogan. One of them has to play back. It’s no big deal really. Try Cox first and switch them if it’s not working. Tarrant did well as a defender swapped from being a forward. In this case hopefully it will be for just one game. It’s no catastrophe and if we did win it would be no genius coaching move either. It’s just because there’s not much other choice.
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Corporal Agarn Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #36

Corporal Agarn
So what do we do if Pearce or Hamling gets a long term injury?
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Matebe Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #37

Matebe
The way we structure up, even if you move Hogan to the backline he's still effectively playing full-forward.
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Suker Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #38

Suker
We don't get paid to come up with answers. Of course, we do provide reasonable and rational options, as a recreational pastime...but the decisions lay with the professors down at DUWA.
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Raglan Matt Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #39

Raglan Matt
Biz, your idea of sending Fyfe to full back makes more sense than sending Hogan back there.

Morgan, you have gone from "Put Hogan to full back" to "If Cox can't do the job there switch him and Hogan" . Make up your mind. We have still to see Hogan actually play as a full forward. I would prefer to see him get a full game there before he gets thrown down back. The idea of footy is to kick more goals than your opposition. Hudson, Hart, McKenna P, Dunstall, Lockett, Sumich, Modra, how many of them were played at full back because a key defender got injured??? Lyon has lost the plot and is trying to divert attention away from the fact that he has run out of ideas. ( sorry "run out of idea" he only ever had one idea.)
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The_Yeti, freo00, Sunny said You Beaut

R.Lyon Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #40

R.Lyon
We should be asking how are the giants going to cover Lobb, Hogan, Tabs and McCarthy
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CaptSnooze, DazzElle, Raglan Matt, Corporal Agarn, freo00 said You Beaut

rogerrocks Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #41

rogerrocks
And of course there are the "anyone but Roly" crowd who view everything through the prism of their hatred of Ross. The difference being that their hatred of Ross is entirely logical and justified, while those who (like me) have the attitude that Ross is going ok, well we are total idiots, willfully blind, and probably secret west coast supporters to boot.

Wait, how did I get sucked into this stupidity again?
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Morgan Forwards make much better backmen..... 5 years 1 week ago #42

Morgan
RM, I don’t think I said ‘play Hogan at full back’. I just think it’s reasonable to consider it as one of a few options depending on how the game and match-ups unfold.

It sounds like they considered it in the Eagles game when Hamling went down, but didn’t pull the trigger because he wasn’t needed there.

All I’m saying is that if we are getting torched it’s an option to try, and with GWS having a strong midfield and good tall forward options, there’s a reasonable chance Cox or Nyhuis gets torched.
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