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TOPIC: Skills v Effort

cletus Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #15

cletus
Morgs,
When our most skillful player is still a 33 yr old bloke who played his 1st game in 14 yrs ago in 2005
And,
Our most skillful recent draftee is shoved down into a negating defensive role;
And,
One of our most skillful, tearaway, free thinking, recruits of recent times is restrained in the way his is, to the point where his impact is now minimal;

I am prepared and content to say : "Bloody Lyon!".
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shane Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #16

shane
The media.
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larkin Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #17

larkin
Both sides fumbled the ball so many times. The pressure was certainly there from all the effort (as there was last week and if you have a recording go back and watch). And it must have been slippery for so many to fall over and add in the wind as a factor too. I even wondered if the sun and shade had an impact. That said you'd think they could do better but even our best made similar mistakes. So I can forgive them an inch. Some though will be sweating on next weeks team list and a derby is as good a time as any to bring in a new face or two. And then when Blakely and just maybe S Hill return I can think of two more who will be playing Peel.
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hypen Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #18

hypen
Hughes and Banfield.
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Raglan Matt Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #19

Raglan Matt
Some great defence of the Lyon game plan by Morgan and Larkin.

I thought Brad Johnson came up with something right out of left field when he commented on Freo's repeated out on the full kicks in the first quarter.

If you go down the corridor, you have less chance of kicking the footy out on the full

I wonder why our coaches don't push the envelope occasionally.
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FDB Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #20

FDB
RM, no matter how hard you you push the envelope, it wil always be stationery.
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The_Yeti Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #21

The_Yeti
Well I do blame the coach for professional players making skill errors because the coach is the one who decides what training will happen.

I'm absolutely certain that you have had zero exposure to elite training in any endeavour, Morgan. Well I have but no I wasn't the coach. I assisted as a regular volunteer and committee member for 10 years at a swimming club that had a nationally qualified coach. This is the guy that regularly had his swimmers competing at both state and national level.

Guess what? He didn't just concentrate on effort. In fact he never coached effort at all. That was a given or you didn't last.

He coached skills, skills and skills. He had every swimmer regularly practicing pool entries, turning techniques, finishing techniques and he walked up and down to the pool constantly correcting minor stroke errors. He was aiming for perfect skills, just like every other swimming coach at his level.

That was obtained only by constant skills practice and not by swimming up and down a pool until you were as fit as Rocky.

When was the last time we beat a skillful team? Hawthorn concentrate on skills and I can't remember when we last beat them. The eagles, since Simpson's arrival, have concentrated on skills and how many years ago have we won a Derby?

The only reason we won today was St Kilda are also poorly skilled but gave good effort. We beat Norths because they were poorly skilled and gave no effort and it's easy to look good when you're playing against clueless witches hats.

A halfway decent team would have beaten us today.

So yeah, bloody Lyon
Egurls Suck!
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exceed Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #22

exceed
When Simmo took over the eagles in 2012 they asked him how he found the eagles compared to hawthorn where he just came from.
He said they were very fit but their skill level was below par. It took him 2/3 of the 2012 season to correct it and now they are considered elite ball users.
It is A FOCUS by coached]s if you want to improve.

Lee spur was asked on 6pr today to explain effort v skill under r Lyon. He said in his time effort was the focus but there was now a realisation at freo by the coaches that today skill was just as important as effort.
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Raglan Matt Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #23

Raglan Matt
It is 1 thing to realise it, it is another thing altogether to do something about it.
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larkin Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #24

larkin
Exceed that wasn't quite what he said. Raglan that wasn't what I said at all. I could have even added in Sunday late afternoon football on a pre watered pitch as other factors. I'm looking for answers to why generally skilful players made such glaring errors. For some confirmation bias is all they want.
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cletus Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #25

cletus
Think Yeti has nailed it.....
I've never really understood the focus on 'effort' that RoLy bangs on about. You - as an individual - bring that, or you don't. If you don't bring it, you don't deserve to play.

Its a pretty simplistic thing...

So why in the hell is there no focus on skills? And why -as a club- have we allowed this to go on for so long.??

Think Duffield was the journo who stated at the start of the year that he went and watched a traing session from both clubs, and found the difference 'interesting' .

The eagles focused on skills, Freo focused upon structure.

Well, next week will go well, ...wont it??
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larkin Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #26

larkin
Lazy train in
tangy chicken and chips
quarrelsome win
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shane Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #27

shane
If the job isn't to train the footballers to play football better, any chance of a brief summary of what the coach is responsible for. Morgan?

I said brief.
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jezzaargh Skills v Effort 5 years 1 month ago #28

jezzaargh
skill errors aside, I don’t think the effort was there today, for quite a few of the players for a considerable period of the game
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