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TOPIC: New coach

Morgan New coach 5 years 2 months ago #57

Morgan
I don’t disagree with that sentiment Shane, and you’ve captured eloquently my unease with the appointment; but in relation to Montagna the underlying assumption is that either he’s guilty of something, or that there is no moral issue with being tarred merely by association, which I’m also uneasy about.
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shane New coach 5 years 2 months ago #58

shane
This isn't a court, Morgan, and he's not only the person who can do this job (as far as I can tell it's a new job, previously offered and declined by James Hird and then not filled).

What's wrong with just saying, nope, we'll take someone else.
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FDB New coach 5 years 2 months ago #59

FDB
Morgan, if Montagna "didn't hear anything", then he is taking the side of an accused rapist against the testimony of witness and an alleged victim who testify otherwise, both of whom have already gone out on quite a limb personally in admitting to having had sex with Steven Milne.

His testimony may be true, but if so it doesn't amount to any more than "I was drunk and can't remember what happened."

The other witnesses (alleged victim and friend) telling the court that they were sober and CAN remember holds a little more water, no?
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darthmarto New coach 5 years 2 months ago #60

darthmarto
Without reviewing transcripts etc, it’s pretty hard to speculate.

In my experience sex offenders generally don’t announce to their mates “hey watch this!” before their shenanigans.

Not sure we can pin Montagna for what we believe he should have seen at an event none of us were at.
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Raglan Matt New coach 5 years 2 months ago #61

Raglan Matt
Saint Kilda, as a club, have a history of believing their players, and calling any accusations against them as being false and/or a setup against someone in the public eye. It is no defense to say I was drunk and can't remember, but I don't believe he would do that. If Montagna had any ethical integrity, he would have said " I was drunk and can't remember".
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The_Yeti New coach 5 years 2 months ago #62

The_Yeti
Nobody has said that Montagna is guilty of anything, Morgan.

All that has been said is he was there when an indecent assault took place. He's admitted he was there. Milne has admitted to the indecent assault. Then he came out in support of the person who admitted the indecent assault.

These are all undeniable facts.

He hasn't ever changed that position, even after Milne admitted the assault.

You can make snide remarks about 'people's moral certainty' all you want but the facts don't speak highly of his character. He didn't, as you claim, just say he heard nothing untoward. He told the magistrate that nobody was forced to do anything against their will.

Clearly, that was not the case as Milne later admitted to the offence and another person in the same room clearly heard several refusals. So liar or unreliable witness?

Either way, he's not suitable to be at my club.
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shane New coach 5 years 2 months ago #63

shane
Maybe just review the basics of what happened, darthmarto.
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Walter the baker New coach 5 years 2 months ago #64

Walter the baker
We are certainly chasing interesting choices. Last year Hird, the year Mantagna, next year .... Gaff, Cousins, Warner ????
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Morgan New coach 5 years 2 months ago #65

Morgan
Nothing at all shane, in fact it’s probably what I would have done.

You’re right, it’s not a court, but you and others have judged him as someone who ‘watched on as his friend indecently assaulted a woman’. If that’s your starting position then you’d never let him in the front door. Of course, if that was true he would have been charged as well.

But if you’re Lyon and knowing him personally and having followed the trial you have concluded him to be someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and genuinely didn’t know something terrible was happening, and you think he’d be an asset to Freo, then by caving to (in his mind) ill-informed ‘community expectations’ you are displaying a lack of loyalty to someone you care about at the expense of the football club. Lyon has shown himself on occasion to be too loyal to his players, and I suspect that is at play here.

Anyway, I’ll probably leave it at that, as we’re in murky territory now and speculating isn’t adding much. I don’t think we’re far apart – from a holistic point of view I think it’s probably a poor choice, I’m just a little less comfortable casting judgment from afar.
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darthmarto New coach 5 years 2 months ago #66

darthmarto
No thanks Shane.

Given the generally sensationalist nature of this type of reporting, I’m not convinced I’ll find anything thorough and unbalanced, particularly coming out of Melbourne.

I’ll either dig up the transcript or leave it be.
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shane New coach 5 years 2 months ago #67

shane
Innocent until you can be bothered reading up on it?
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Raglan Matt New coach 5 years 2 months ago #68

Raglan Matt
Sorry, Morgan, but Saints and Lyon have form as to their attitudes to women. Not good enough for Freo.
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Raglan Matt New coach 5 years 2 months ago #69

Raglan Matt
WTB, will the sandpaper help the Sherrin swing to the centre of the goals and not away from it?
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darthmarto New coach 5 years 2 months ago #70

darthmarto
Well given he was never charged let alone convicted of anything, isn’t he just innocent?
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