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TOPIC: Buggerations II: Groundhog Day

shane Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #43

shane
I think you may have taken the comment a bit too literally.
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R.Lyon Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #44

R.Lyon
Maybe but I reckon many on here believe every comment posted on here
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Noddy Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #45

Noddy
Up until late last year nothing was done?
Crikey, the German calfology expert would be disappointed with that opinion.
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TheColonel Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #46

TheColonel
he would probably have a beef about it !
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Morgan Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #47

Morgan
As far as has been reported from the club over the years they’ve tried rest, changing his running gait, calf strengthening, sending him to Germany for platelet injections and ballet. I’d be curious what they should have tried that they didn’t? The suggestion seems to be don’t train him and then put him in a position in the forward line where he needs to accelerate very quickly. I wouldn’t have thought that was a way to prevent a calf injury, but I’m no expert.

It seems to me Freo took a punt on a supremely talented player with a dodgy calf and some off-field issues in the hopes that they could help him come good. As many people on here have pointed out, there is a conveyor belt of hard-working private school-educated footballers with working limbs that you can slot onto a list with a minimum of risk. Those players, while helpful, don’t decide premierships.

We took a swing and we missed, but I think there was merit in the attempt, and to me it looks like the club has tried everything they can to get him right, and supported him in what must have been an incredibly disappointing time for him and the club.

The worst I think that can be said is that Freo wasted (the equivalent of) pick 25 on a player with chronic injuries that it couldn’t rehabilitate.

I suppose if you were so inclined you could also allege professional negligence based on a guess about the nature of the injury and treatment methods implemented in a field in which you have no expertise, but each to their own.
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Davo Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #48

Davo
Agree mostly with Morgan. It's bad luck. Morabito was bad luck. Bennell was bad luck. Both were very good players cruelled by injury.

Anthony and Matera were NOT bad luck.
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shane Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #49

shane
You know I don't subscribe to your theory that the club that has failed at everything for the past 3 years is doing everything right, they're just unlucky.

It's the same with the club and their ideas on fitness.

It's very obvious that the most important aspect of training is endurance. They've made that point clear by what they say, what they do and how we play the game. If you can't run and run and run then you don't get a game (with the odd exception of people Ross gets on well with like Fyfe and Pavlich). I think it comes from Ross Lyon not having any interest in it. Which in itself is staggering.

Anyways, I disagree with that. The way I see it, talent is the capital you're working with in a football team, not the ability to run. The job of the coaching gang s to get the best return from that capital.

Bennell needs writing down. They need to reassess what they can get out of him rather than this attitude that if he can't play at a theoretical level of perfect endurance then he's not fit to play.

He doesn't do his calf every time he runs. He does it after he is pushed past it's breaking point. It's almost become a crusade for them to fix it rather than manage it. Stop pushing him past is breaking point and get him on the football field, because he'll kick us a couple of extra goals a week.

It's not like Ballantyne has ever been bullet proof.
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Jezza Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #50

Jezza
I'm going to go out on a limb here. By your admission Shane, when playing sport, at elite level, you're not supposed to go at breaking point. Interesting concept. So lets play HB in the hope he doesn't exert himself, and blow a calf. The club has reduced his training load and build him up gradually. Perhaps at a level he hasn't reached in the last 2 years. I'd rather see him blowing a calf in pre-season, than doing it in a game when the whips are cracking. Mind you, that's just part of elite sport, going at breaking point. Though there are things you can administer that can help you from breaking easily.
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shane Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #51

shane
Well that's just nonsense from start to finish.

The whips haven't cracked in a Fremantle game in many years. If it were an elite sporting competition we wouldn't be in it. Ross wouldn't have been given this many chances and the word 'rebuild' would have you thrown out on the street.

The AFL is a compromised domestic sporting league.

And if you go at breaking point in a 25 round season, you will break.
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Raglan Matt Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #52

Raglan Matt
Going at breaking point is unsustainable, Lyon, Wallace, R Eade and others have proven that over the years. More and more players are breaking down because the training workload (calculated to have players at peak fitness for 30+ weeks) is NOT sustainable. Teams that get lucky in the run to the finals, often have players coming in for the last 10 weeks of the season, fresh and managed back from injury. Many coaches can't or wont admit they are pushing players too far and too hard, just to show they are supermen.
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Jezza Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #53

Jezza
It would seem that you're happy to accept players not performing at their optimum. Doesn't prescribed to the "leave nothing in the tank" statement. Each to their own I guess.
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shane Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #54

shane
Maybe that's the problem. You don't understand what optimum means.
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Jezza Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #55

Jezza
Maybe you're not quite undertanding what it takes to play sport at the elite level.
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The_Yeti Buggerations II: Groundhog Day 5 years 2 months ago #56

The_Yeti
Well, Jezza, there's performing to optimum and there's not performing at all.

If you have a choice between a player kicking one or two goals a game or being constantly in rehab, costing a lot and returning nothing. Apparently, with you, it's rehab or nothing.

At least the club seems to agree with you or you agree with the club because so far, all they have gotten from their approach is nothing.

I'd suggest that perhaps there is some value in trying a different approach but some on here are fanatically resistant to any thought of change probably because of a well justified fear that a certain somebody might get the chop.
Egurls Suck!
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