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larkin Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #43

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I asked my dentist the other day what was the hardest part of his job. He said people. Ask a teacher the same question and they will give the same answer. Dealing with people is the hardest thing to do. Who here hasn't upset people? Real or imagined events actions words get taken out of context or misheard, misunderstood or whatever. Sometimes people aren't the full quid – or just straight up nasty or obsessively fixated. We've all seen it.
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #44

The_Yeti
8 years? Above average?

You probably missed the bit where she was appointed to senior management in 2016, so that makes 2 years in the role. 2 years is not a long time in a management position and HR managers tend to be long term employees rather than high turnover positions

You also seem to have missed the bit about the dispute from someone at the club.

I'm glad you find it so easy to trivialize the repeated issues in such a well managed club but I'm even happier that none of the females in my family work there
Egurls Suck!
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Jezza Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #45

Jezza
I work in an organisation that’s all about E&D. When you’ve got the time I’ll explain what all that means. If Ms Horrocks left because of more shenanigans at the club, I’m sure she’ll let the world know, not having sign the disclosure document. I’m sure if there’s more dirt, it’ll be aired.
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freo00 Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #46

freo00
Then again it might just be covered up again .
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shane Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #47

shane
That's nonsense. When you've got the time I'll explain why but the short version is that unless it's in her interests to make a fuss, which it definitely won't be, she will keep her mouth shut and move on to a better job.

For Fremantle, it will all get lost in the cloudy waters of restructuring stories and claims of fake news until something awful will happens that no one saw coming.
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Jezza Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #48

Jezza
Or if her HR credentials are rock solid, she’ll make some noise and that would be to everyone’s best interest. She’s in a position of power and has been for a while. As a professional in her field, it’d be negligent of her to shut her mouth. Not in today’s world of #metoo. That’s a free lesson.
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jimb2 Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #49

jimb2
The sex lives of politicians, dirt on celebrities, anything at a football club, etc. People love it. Or actually, are addicted to it. That's why there are NDAs. The club doesn't want to devote it's resources to fighting off the latest media witchhunt. Believe it or not, it has other priorities than "full and frank disclosure" to anyone.

These things are stories and you are part of the system that makes these stories valuable. We don't know what this person's reasons for leaving were. There were very likely multiple reasons. We don't know what happened. Versions will differ. The idea that there are facts being hidden from you that prove your pet theories and that you have some kind of inviolate entitlement to them is just crazy. The club can't operate on this basis.

The dogs bark. The caravan moves on.
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shane Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #50

shane
I'm going to assume there isn't a documentary crew wandering around the club keeping records of all this. So, for the interests of conversation, maybe I could go hypothetical and discuss the potential issue rather than the fake newsyness of the lamestream media.

Let's say that someone was doing their job, reviewing everyone's dog at Company X.

One day that person gave a dog a bad review, suggesting that the dog be taken to a farm in the country to live with it's mother.

Let's say someone else at the organisation was mates with the dog and told the boss not to send that dog to the farm. So the dog didn't go to the farm.

The dog reviewer raises it with upper management and, at the end of the discussion, feels they have no option but to leave. Company X then puts out a statement saying that the dog reviewer was actually sacked as part of a restructuring to ensure the best performance for the company.

What do you think is acceptable level of corruption at Company X?
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Sox Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #51

Sox
I’m not much good at supposing. I’m a working man,. My boss does the supposing, but i’ll try one.
Let’s say company y restructures, bring in an old board member to serve in an overseeing capacity, and as new staff are implemented, some become redundant. Let’s say, that the media find out, and are still warm from the sales of papers about a “sex scandal” at that club, and the outgoing staff member is female. Well, said outgoing employee had some hard times in their job, and some of the other redundant staff feel hard done by, so said media organisation grabs a quote or two. Hop, skip, jump, now that media outlet can imply all kinds of misconduct without risking libel. Good times.
We could hypothetical this a hundred ways - flimsy facts make strong breeding grounds for conjecture.
We’ve got a statement by the club regarding an outgoing staff member (a statement, no doubt cooked up, after being contacted by a media outlet sniffing for a story) and we’ve got a whole bunch of unattributed conjecture.
This story is nothing.
BUT. This isn’t an isolated incident. There’s been some dodgy reports (putting it mildly) coming out of Docker central, and it’s not unreasonable to be suspect of the club.
But let’s not all give way to confirmation bias, shall we?
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Sox Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #52

Sox
To summarise: I think you’re both right, I just wish Mum and dad would stop fighting. He says one thing, she says another and then it goes back around again - you’re tearing me apart!
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #53

The_Yeti
Well here's a scenario and I'm not supposing here.

Let's imagine a club with in excess of 100 employees, that had to pay a former employee over 100, 000 dollars for a HR issue and then less than a year later, decides that it doesn't need a HR Manager.

Sounds logical, right?

Then consider that this hypothetical club keeps the person who caused the previously mentioned HR issue and got rid of the person most responsible for preventing said conduct.

Then consider that the justification for making the HR manager redundant is to improve on field performance immediately after conducting a review and making zero changes to the coaching, medical and fitness departments which have all arguably underperformed over a considerable period of time.

Then ask yourself if any of that is in any way logical or justified in a well managed club.

I'm sure that some on here will try to minimize the reality and others will just get abusive but I'm pretty confident all of those people will be pretending as hard as they can that the situation just isn't what it looks like
Egurls Suck!
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Snail, DazzElle, freo00, Burton said You Beaut

Snail Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #54

Snail
I always like the story where the captain....being honorable and all that....takes a deep breath and goes down with the ship. That's after all the crew (who were efficient and productive little buggers) swum to safety and lived happily ever after.....except that Bosun Bondy who got keel hauled the month before.
The problem with this scenario is that the captain has taken some Hird pills and refuses to do the honorable thing. Whats worse is the General Manager of the shipping line doesnt give a rats arse so long as his mate the captain is looked after
( wink wink nudge nudge say no more ) by the resident cabin boy!
This is becoming a systemic problem of epic proportions and anyone not getting how foul the stench is in Cockburn needs to take a bex and have a good lie down.
We need a huge clean out and the ship needs an urgent dry dock.... I think there's a lot of dry rot in HMAS Freo and there's a way to go!
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Suker Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #55

Suker
If there is something rotten at Cockburn (should have stayed in Freo), there is a board that should be investigating and fixing things. What else are they supposed to be doing? Boards, managers, and ultimately even employees (at this footy club) are human and therefore can do or say nothing because they have their own agenda/career to think about. But the board, the damn board...they have to dig deep. Everyone should be accountable, be it Lyon, or the HR person, or the player who does not put team first.
The BOARD, the bloody Board...do something, anything. If it sweeping changes that are needed, the do it! If there are dictatorial managers in place, get rid of them.
Or...everything could be just lovely down there, and we are all jumping to conclusions.
I haven't got a clue.
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larkin Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #56

larkin
If a very senior football club official (of any AFL club) wasn't asked to sign an NDA upon leaving - the club would be derelict in its duty.
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