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Morgan Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #29

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“It does seem from the outside there is something amiss with the culture down at Cockburn.”

I don’t mind being accused of sycophancy - ok, I do a bit - but just because a story links some unsavoury events to the employment decisions of a HR manager three years later doesn’t mean those things are related.

I’m not sure Lyon has earned the benefit of the doubt, but there was a a time people on this board treated The West with the suspicion it deserved. If people want to take stories at (questionable) face value in that paper that’s fine, but they haven’t shown themselves to be particularly accurate with reporting about Freo I the past.
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #30

The_Yeti
I guess, Morgan, you missed the bit about Roly's involvement with the issues that occurred on Wednesday.

I guess you also missed the bit where Rosich basically talked a load of obvious old cobblers about making the HR Manager's position redundant because that will improve our on field performance and give better support to the members and supporters.

I'd you actually believe any of that then you're even dopier than Rosich for releasing that statement. Oh by the way, that was a club statement not something made up by the Worst. So let's put that furfy to bed now.

All I'm seeing is more deflection from the nobody but Roly crowd. If you want to cheer on the club's slow decay, you do that but don't expect me to go along with that without demure
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Morgan Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #31

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What was Lyon’s involvement?
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #32

The_Yeti
According to media reports, the dispute was triggered by negative feedback on an employee close to Lyon.

He appears to have an unhealthy amount of control over the actions of the club and we are seeing situations similar to the St Kilda scandals that occurred when he had a similar level of control there.

Tell me you can't see the similarities and then tell me it's all coincidence but I'm sure you'll continue to take pot shots at the messenger rather than the culprits
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Morgan Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #33

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I don’t know how it works at the club, but according to most, Lyon directly controls everything. If that’s the case, isn’t every employee close to Lyon?

I just don’t know how people decide what is a real story in The West and what is a beat-up. It does seems that the general approach is that if it’s about the players it’s a beat-up and if it’s about Lyon it’s fact. Even the bits where Lyon is merely adjacent to the story people take it on face value Lyon is to blame.

I think that often where there is smoke there is fire. But let’s not pretend this story is reporting fire.
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Corporal Agarn Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #34

Corporal Agarn
So it's definitely reporting smoke then?
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #35

The_Yeti
Again, you throw in red herrings to deflect from what is happening down at Cockburn.

It's not a media beat up Roly is involved when is a club statement being discussed. Pretending otherwise won't fly.

The club made a statement that was obvious nonsense and clearly untrue. Unless you can explain how making a HR Manager redundant after a dispute over a Lyon favorite is going to improve our on field performance then you can't continue to deflect by claiming it's all a media beat up.
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Morgan Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #36

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The club couldn’t issue a statement about the time without it sounding like gobbledygook.

“The Fremantle Dockers, in consultation with its members and key stakeholders, have determined that the current time is 8.45am, but that as part of striving towards continuous success it will monitor changes to that time as they unfold. The club is well-equiped to deal with that change in time, and has appointed a time specialist to monitor the situation.”

They are so bad at it.

But I’m still not sure what the HR manager leaving has to do with anything.
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jimb2 Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #37

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Just in case anyone hadn't noticed people leave good and bad organisations all the time for all kinds of reasons.

Turning everything you hear into a part of your favourite ongoing moral narrative is a deranged way of thinking.
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #38

The_Yeti
Well, you're doing well to prove what I'm saying is correct.

Nothing but deflection from the 'Nobody but Roly Crowd' and zero discussion of the actual issues. You can be dismissive all you want Morgan but that will change nothing.

You're still yet to acknowledge the club statement is not a media beat up as you originally tried to claim and you're still yet to show that statement is anything but ridiculous
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Morgan Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #39

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Most organisations are terrible at communication. It all sounds so weaselly. But few organisations need to put out statements about office employees leaving.

The West has decided this is a story. It could be because it knows something we don’t. It could also be because it knows a story about a football club loaded with innuendo attracts clicks.

Maybe you can tell the difference, but I can’t. If you want to trust The West uncritically that’s ok. It could be into something.
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shane Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #40

shane
I was taught some English in high school and most of it didn't stick but I like to think I can tell the difference between a story that is completely speculative and a story with some substance behind it.

Maybe you can do a night course, Morgan.

But well done, you've successfully changed the subject from Fremantle's poor managerial practices to the evils of the print media and given people doing the wrong thing somewhere to hide.
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The_Yeti Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #41

The_Yeti
You're still avoiding any acknowledgement of the issue but I'm not surprised. Trying to deflect things by trivializing them is an old tactic but it's one that doesn't stand scrutiny.

If there is no need to put out a statement why did the club feel the need to put out an obvious bulldust statement? Why would a senior female manager have to sign an NDA to receive her resignation package?

I've never known anybody insisting on an NDA unless there was something to hide. I've resigned from organizations that required security clearances but never needed to sign an NDA to get out the door.

There is a recurring pattern of problems around female employees. That recurring pattern occurred at both St Kilda and now at Freo and guess where the common factor lies.

But hey, let's pretend that the club statement is just a media beat up
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Morgan Who now? 5 years 5 months ago #42

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“It was expected Ms Horrocks would be required to sign a confidentiality agreement as part of her resignation package.”

Again, if you want to share The West’s assumption that’s ok. It might be true.

An HR manager had an 8 year run at Freo. I would say that’s above the market average for that position. Most leave because of tensions about staffing because, you know, that’s their job.
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