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Grub Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #15

Grub
I think it’s a poor strategy to publicly nominate where you want to end up. For guys like the two Lachies it meant the nominated club had to pay overs and it put a heap of public pressure on the club to get a deal done. I suppose outside of the public arena the players intentions are probably common knowledge but I would have thought competition or perceived competition for the player would be a good thing. For instance if Freo was an option then the Ooftits might have gone harder than they did. A bit naive of me I guess but I’ve always had doubts about the strategy.
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Morgan Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #16

Morgan
I don't doubt that having three kids under the age of three is tough. I don't doubt it was made tougher by being a long way from family. Maybe there were a few things Geelong could have done to make the transition easier, but without knowing what they did and didn't do, it's hard to comment.

But the Kelly family had a choice: move to Geelong to allow Tim to pursue his dream to play AFL football - and earn $200k doing so - or stay in Perth around their support network. That's a difficult choice no doubt, but the option arose because Geelong said 'we want to take a chance on this young man'. I have some sympathy for the club given they gave him that chance, helped turn him into an AFL football player likely to earn millions, and the first chance Tim gets to leave he tries to take it.

As for what Geelong could do to help with the three kids, well I'd love to know what Caitlin had in mind. I'm not sure how hiring nannies and the like fits with the AFL salary cap. Perhaps the expectation is that a player earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year could engage someone themselves. I'm sure Geelong has a player welfare person - perhaps they could have done more to help. Perhaps the other players partners weren't as supportive as they could have been. Who knows? I'm not sure potting the club through the media is the way to handle it though, but each to their own.

As for Tim and his manager, if getting the family home really was the most important thing, they played a risky game nominating only West Coast, and it backfired.
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jimb2 Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #17

jimb2
I had a little cry about this sad turn of events.
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Suker Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #18

Suker
Seeing how emotional you are Jimb, has brought on a kleenex moment for me too.
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shane Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #19

shane
You're a complete bastard if you believe that, Morgan.

The woman has been removed from all her support networks because her husband has a skillset that puts his employment opportunities in Geelong. All she's asking is that the football club be more aware that she's struggling to cope and offer more support.

I don't understand how a woman trying to raise three small children who's not coping away from home asking for some help could be viewed with such bitterness just because her husband's manager wasn't glowing about your football club.

You lot should have a good think about yourselves.
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Jezza Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #20

Jezza
Surely you’re not that naive to think that women with toddlers need family support to help raise children. Women every where cope with adversities better than you think with or without family support. You go where the $$$ will allow you to put food on the table. The Kelly family will be better for the experience. I would’ve thought a couple of hundred $$$ a year helps with the tyranny of distance.
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DS Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #21

DS
I doubt if it was any other form of employment if an employer would be required to provide help in the raising of three kids. If you shift for a job you do the best you can. if you can't cope and want to go home you take whatever job you can get. You don't demand to be employed by your preferred employer.
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mac Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #22

mac
This is definitely going to be part of Playing for Keeps ( Wednesday Channel Ten 8.40pm )
A Country couple from small fishing village on the West Coast travel to the end of the world for the husband to make his dreams come true of playing for Southern Metropolis Fur Balls FC. Half way across the desert the wife gives birth to twins and the husband runs 642 kms to the next hick town Crowstown and contacts the club who said the Clubs Fur Ball Wags headed by Shirley Selwood would be there in 5 minutes ....but all where no show. Help arrived in the form off Dockers supporters going to the South Pole to get away from the coldness of the football season in Perth and Southern Metropolis was on the way so off they went.. The couple gets screwed for the next three seasons of the series playing for the Fur Balls because of bad advice of their Manager Andy Van Dick Wee
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Suker Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #23

Suker
Geez, no one is berating the young mum...she can speak out about anything. But, I reserve the right to be light-hearted about it all. She is not actually listening to our every word. No one is...it is just us bunch of neanderthals in our own little world.
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391 Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #24

391
I find some of the comments on here completely disheartening and I'm with Shane.

Go back to all your posts about Cam Mac's position / situation / well-being when GWS didnt release him and compare your comments to the lack of empathy now. Shame on you. Doubly so if her kids have been struggling with health issues.

If clubs know to look after 17/18 year olds they put them with host families before moving them to homes of players for support, connection, etc all they needed to do was think about Kelly have 3 kids under 3 and apply the same standards / thought.

When most players have children they've been in the AFL system longer, even if away from home the partners at least have a chance to establish networks.

Additionally, if a player comes to a club injured, overweight, lacks kicking skills, fitness ... whatever ... we're all over the club to fix it (and don't necessarily blame the player) a young woman speaks up - essentially asking for help - and you go her.

As for help from employers ... mine does:
- carer's leave
- parental leave
- flexible work arrangements
- employee assistance program i.e. counsellors if you need them.

And so do many many others. He is a trail blazer and so is she.

Would probably cost Kelly (or the club) $20-30k for an au pair via a formal program (Gil and Dutton can help #toosoon).

Good on her for speaking up and more power him for playing such good footy when clearly having complexity off the field.
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hypen Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #25

hypen
But if the situation is that bad, why didn't they come home? Seriously, you don't get to say this is a serious issue and the solution is there but does it come in blue and gold.

It's Kelly and his manager that she should be reaching out to. He's the bloody husband - pull your finger out son.

Sounds like Kelly has completely failed in his responsibilities as a parent and helping players understand this is the job of the manager.
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Corporal Agarn Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #26

Corporal Agarn
I've you beauted so many seemingly sensible viewpoints I don't know whether I'm coming or going.
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The_Yeti Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #27

The_Yeti
That's a bit harsh, hypen.

The need for family support is undeniable, especially when you have very young kids. I'm not surprised that there is a desire to return to WA.

As for going to the slime, you don't know what his manager has put into their heads. This could well be a bad decision after being poorly advised by a manager with a axe to grind. I wouldn't be hooking into Kelly too much without knowing the background.

It is completely conceivable that Kelly puts all his faith in his manager, being young and lacking experience himself and just took poor advice. How much say did his family have in that decision anyway.

Older, more experienced people still need family support, how much more do younger people need it? A single guy you could maybe criticise but much less a young couple with very young children
Egurls Suck!
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mccyoung Cats Cry Over Spilt Milk 5 years 6 months ago #28

mccyoung
It's his first contract, so doesn't he get the standard draftee salary-around $100000? Does he get match payments on top of that.? $105000 is a good wage, but it's not the megabucks that allow a regular nanny. It's also hard if you don't come from a background where you hire someone to look after your children-where you've always had trusted family around. Anyone with young twins struggles. And three under three is a handful. Geelong FC should have been able to foresee the need for support. A footy club is not your normal employer. The demands are unusual.
Still it doesn't explain why Tim Kelly limited his options to get home to family.
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