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TOPIC: Hogan

Corporal Agarn Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #71

Corporal Agarn
Jack Anthony.............wait, forgot we actually got him.
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dddocker Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #72

dddocker
5 and 32 for Neale. 5 to Adelaide for 8 and 13. They are desperate to out bid PA. 8 and 23 to Melb. They'll take that. Leaves us with a slew of picks to get Lobb and hopefully Langdon.
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Jooter Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #73

Jooter
Corporal, yes, I was actually leaving out the forwards Freo managed to get, but that turned out to be, well, less than stellar :) J. Anthony (total spud); C. Tarrant (spud in the forward line, but turned out to be an excellent backman); S. Kersten (not effective as a forward; jury is out regarding him playing in the backline).
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slammen Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #74

slammen
What if we offer to sweeten the pot , pick 11 and next years second round pick plus Bennell for Hogan.
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pollyanna Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #75

pollyanna
Jooter: you missed Ryan Schoenmakers.
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Jason Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #76

Jason
The direct link between what Melbourne get for Hogan, they have to give GC for May, is contrived.

Hogan is recovering from a serious footy injury - May would hold down a key defensive post starting tomorrow.

We can all diminish the significance of the injury, hell I’ve even done it, but my job isn’t on the line if the club brings in another injured ‘champion’ who fails to deliver.

I’m pretty sure Belly, in particular, doesn’t want to start his role with that prospect hanging over his head.

Yes, quality forwards are hard to come by but so are quality defenders. We haven’t been the same side since the retirement of AALuke. Luckily for us, we have a pretty talented, balanced, young defensive group. Melbourne don’t and that’s why they’re desperate to bring in May.

If the Dees have to do some wheeling and dealing with other clubs to get the picks they need to satisfy GC - that’s their problem.

What we give them will go a long way towards that end but I don’t see the need for us to give up pick 5 (assuming LN goes and we get that) to land Hogan.

The current pick 11 we have put on the table plus the likely second round pick BrisVegas will have to cough up to get their Cowboy - with maybe a swap of later picks, is fair value under the circumstances.

We would still head into the draft with pick 5 - or do as some have suggested and swap that with Adelaide for picks 8 & 16. Get Hill with 8 (or 16 if we think he’ll last that long) and, dare I say it, get the next best available player (who has elite kicking skills) with the other one.

There is absolutely no direct link between what’s Hogan is worth to Freo and May is worth to Melbourne - just coz the medja say it doesn’t make it so. GC will get a high first round pick next year if May leaves under FA, so they can rightly expect at least that this year. Melbourne won’t if Hogan walks next year.

Melbourne would also be well aware that Hogan is leaving next year regardless and WC will have to strip the cupboard bare this year and probably into next, to get Kelly in. So the likelihood is they’ll get less for Hogan next year and, more importantly for them, miss out on May altogether.

I might add, Hogan has handled himself far better than Kelly by not blurting out the club he wants to end up at, thereby removing the only other club able to bid his price up.

So hold your ground Belly & Steve - we hold all the aces here, stare down their bluff and blustering and we’ll be laughing all the way to Draft night and beyond.
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wingman Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #77

wingman
Similar to DDD comment I would do the deal with Neale and take pick 5. On trade that to Adel for 8 and 13. 13 and next years first rounder for Hogan. 23 and next year second rounder for Lobb. Keep 8, 11 and rest of picks.

Then regardless of next year there are no excuses for the coach and assistant coaches with the list they would have at their disposal
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browski Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #78

browski
Wingman, I think you will find there will be an abundance of excuses.
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Jezza Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #79

Jezza
Browski, we’re a no excuses club. With that in mind, player availability is pivotal to any team’s success or failure. And of course the depth of your list. Last year we had too many of our leadership group unavailable. So our young blokes were left to fend for themselves. When people compare the number debutants that Freo and the Slime fielded, what’s missed in that comparison is many of ours didn’t ply their trade in the WAFL for 12-18 months before stepping up to AFL level. If we can field our best 22 for 16-17 rounds, then anything is possible. But that’s not an excuse. Plenty of luck is needed in this caper.
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Docker by the Sea Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #80

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Barring his injury being worse than stated. Why would Hogan be worth less next year? Melbourne are interested this year because they want to secure May, this has finally given Melbourne the motivation to entertain trading him.
Who knows what next year holds he still won’t be a restricted free agent and could kick 60. Hogan is worth two first round picks. He is one of the best young power forwards in the league and contracted.
Neale in today’s market is worth a higher first round pick and a better second rounder. With priority picks these are filtered down these days.
We must recoup Neale’s correct value as a contracted player to then enable us to pick up Hogan as a contracted player. I find it frustrating that the articles are being written about Freo holding up multiple deals Brisbane are the ones holding up the process. With their own lowball offer.
I am sure that once Brisbane address this we will offer closer to Hogan’s worth.
If we get both of Hogan and Lobb do we need to be as high in the draft. Are the really big talents that everybody is excited about key position players? With the deal we did with Port we should still be able to maintain a presence in lower first round or upper second round.
Hope it all turns out.
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Jezza Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #81

Jezza
Look back at Hawthorn’s recruiting strategies and you’ll be amazed what you can do without the need to have high draft picks. Their most recent going back a decade or so was the Buddy and Roughy pick ups. In the last five years, Ryan Burton was picked up with their most recent first rounder( 19) in 2015. Same year Lovell (22) was picked up. Picking up young key forwards is great if you’re prepared to wait for them to show their worth. Perhaps we’re looking at picking up Jye Bolton with a second rounder. I’d be thrilled with that. He’s got the hallmarks of being the next Tim Kelly.
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prefect Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #82

prefect
Trent Croad
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Corporal Agarn Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #83

Corporal Agarn
As Jooter pointed out we have a history of trying to attract key forwards but failing. This is the first time we have had not one, but two forwards wanting to come to us.

It's been our weak link for years now. Please get it done.
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demo1 Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #84

demo1
Hold your ground Belly.
Hogan and Goodwins relationship is severely strained. Has been for some time..
He wants out and Melb want May badly...
Why do you think the anger is there from Melb and their associated puppets in the media?
How dare we question his worth?
They will be forced into accepting a lower overall trade value..
His position at the club is untenable. All the talk of failed medicals and mental health is absolute BS..
I have faith in Belly and co to get this deal done and set up us for a far quicker rebuild by holding premium picks.
This could go down to the wire.
Melb have already blinked - we wont!!
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