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TOPIC: Hogan

mac Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #337

mac
Yeti maybe my vision is wrong of what we need. I thought we were after a Harry High Pants Lloyd who can take a contested mark while being belted from every direction and slots through from 45m plus out.
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Jason Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #338

Jason
If there is one thing DLs excel at is playing ‘devil’s advocate’.

Without trawling through the many, many posts on this subject over the past few years, most regular posters have at various times expoused the virtues and highlighted the deficiencies of Hogan.

I don’t think that makes people hypocrites - just good analysers of the pro’s and con’s of an individual footballer.

Without resorting to medja confirmation, I think the vast majority of Docker supporters would love to see Jesse in purple tearing apart opposition defences for the next decade. That is not really in dispute.

What is the subject of the hysterical reporting and postings on here is the perceived value attached to said player.

Without comparing to other trades, such as the ridiculous prospect of Hawthorn getting Scully for a 3rd round pick, most agree the original two, high first round picks Melbourne wanted for Hogan is way overs.

Since the medical we conducted and, I believe, some further insight gleaned into his off-field, ahem, tendencies - we’ve (as in FFC) have downgraded his trade value.

It’s not the perogative of anyone other than the brains trust at FFC to place an arbitrary value on a player - just because it’s the remaining piece of the puzzle to allow a stack of other clubs trades go through.

So whilst I believe Melbourne will fold and take pick 11 plus one or two 2nd rounders with a 3rd rounder coming back to us, the only real point of difference is what we pay for him.

FWIW, pick 5 (should LN depart as expected) should not be a part of this trade unless we get a first round pick back.

Elite talent is what we need to bring in, but sacrificing a young elite talent at the draft in the pursuit of a currently injured elitie talent at the trade table is not a net gain. We need both.
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The_Yeti Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #339

The_Yeti
Mac, in an ideal world, yes but it's not the be all and end all in my view. Kennedy at the slime gets most of his marks uncontested because he's allowed to run into space.

I'd be happy to have something similar provided we setup for that
Egurls Suck!
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shane Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #340

shane
That's all fanciful, Jason.

The bloke has played 20 or more games in 3 of his past 4 seasons, if he has a serious ongoing injury problem he has hidden it well.

He averages over 2 goals a game from 4 seasons. He's an elite forward. He's not some dodgy bloke they're trying to unload.

For comparison, Taberner has only ever kicked more than 2 goals in a game 4 times.

4 times. In 6 seasons.

Hogan did it 9 times this season.
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Gumnut Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #341

Gumnut
I can understand the concerns around Jesse's foot but I don't think there should be any problems around his personal issues as Jason alludes to with his "off-field, ahem, tendencies" comment. The only off field issues I know of relate to his family situation(personal and off limits) and maybe his cancer diagnosis. These are non issues and I'm not sure what Jason is alluding to, unless he knows something that we all are not privy to, and as such these type of comments about people's character should be avoided.
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Jason Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #342

Jason
Shane, he played those amounts of games in seasons BEFORE breaking his foot - but after missing a year with a crook back.

I’ve never disputed his abilities, but I’m sure as the sun rising tomorrow that you’d be one of the first on here criticising the FFC should we part with all our early draft picks in getting him - only to end up with another ‘Bennell’ on the list.

You’re right, I do have some inside knowledge but it was inappropriate to appear to disparage his character in the manner I may have - so I withdraw my comment unreservedly. However, if someone was to go off the rails a little bit after the couple of trying years Hogan’s had to deal with - it’d hardly be surprising or worth condemning.

Perhaps the move home, surrounded by family and friends would help with the healing process and I only wish the best for the young man - wherever he plays (except for WC). But in footy, there’s no sentiment and decisions have to be based on the facts to hand. Those facts seem to indicate there are additional risks involved in his trading and I’ll leave it to the experts to work through that with Melbourne.
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Morgan Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #343

Morgan
If Hogan is healthy and engaged there is no comparison between Hogan and Tabs, but as I mentioned before Bell has just started in the role and this decision will either set up the next 5 years or make his life very difficult. I’m not so worried about the partying rumours - I’m generally less concerned with players who get caught doing normal young people things than many (including Bell, I suspect) - but I’d be very cautious hitching success in my new job to a bloke with dodgy wheels.

Personally, I hope we get him but it’s not my job on the line.
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pollyanna Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #344

pollyanna
Belly's professional reputation will play out over a few years if he makes the deals we need - it will collapse totally in a matter of days if he stuffs up. Fact.
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mac Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #345

mac
This will be my last post on Hogan.
Paul Roos saying that Hogan is a future All Australian centre half back because he played
both end of the ground playing under 18's sound like a load of rubbish when first heard.
Being only two positions in current game flooding forward and flooding back and the bias and unlogical picking the All Australian side he might be correct.
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Raglan Matt Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #346

Raglan Matt
The way the AA is picked these days, Hogan playing out the season from a forward pocket is probably his best chance of an AA spot at CHB.
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Docker 26 Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #347

Docker 26
You can't accuse Jesse of not asking the big questions. 8 Mill over 8 years. Belly probably spat out his coffee hearing that info.
Lets halve the time frame and you have a deal Jesse.
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exceed Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #348

exceed
I get all the criticism given the freo track record of recruitment and mismanagement.
I think we need to give p bell the benefit of doubt on these things.
Lets judge him over a few years.
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Morgan Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #349

Morgan
8 years. Tell him he’s dreamin’.
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expat Hogan 5 years 6 months ago #350

expat
Good thinking D26. The new contract remuneration should be on a pro-ratta basis based on the number of goals kicked.
< 20 goals per year, then $300K
20-40 goals per year, then $600K
40-60 goals, $800K
>60 goals, $1.2 Million

Hence, if he's stuck on the rehab bench, he's paid accordingly.
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